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Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
Everyone should go to university.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Who knows and who cares? The kids of those generations know how to speak English, which goes to show that the parents stressed learning the language and instilled those values in their children. Their children are the proof of their efforts.
So, you've done a survey, or is this just a generalisation?
I had no idea you were so in with the blue collar world, by the way.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Only if every single country which has every existed is considered to have 'stolen' land from some other group.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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You are going to have a hard time establishing that, Imran.
So according to you there can't even be the concept of "stealing land," since someone occupying empty land is the same as someone forcibly removing its prior inhabitants.
Has there ever been a country which has JUST occupied 'empty land'? Every country has started from a small tribe or city taking over other tribes/cities. An example is Russia. People from Moscow took over the land of all its neighbors and eventually defeated Novgorod which had taken over the land from all its neighbors, to establish 'Russia'.
How many countries out there haven't engaged in any conquest, counting the proto-country days (the formation of the country itself)?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Has there ever been a country which has JUST occupied 'empty land'? Every country has started from a small tribe or city taking over other tribes/cities.
Empty land has to be occupied initially, and in regions where there is a vast expanse of land, such as North America, conflict over land is the exception, not the norm.
But the point is, where would youn define a theft of land? If we lived next door to each other (god forbid), and I walked over with a gun and forcibly evicted you, claiming your property, would that not be a theft of your property?Tutto nel mondo è burla
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Conquest was legal and socially acceptable untle the 20th century. If fact it had been good form and even laudable for almost all of human existance.Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
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Now, we have "interventions" and "world policeman duty" and "peacekeeping"....Arise ye starvelings from your slumbers; arise ye prisoners of want
The reason for revolt now thunders; and at last ends the age of "can't"
Away with all your superstitions -servile masses, arise, arise!
We'll change forthwith the old conditions And spurn the dust to win the prize
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Can you prove that the Amerinds who were forcibly displaced by European settlers had previously "stolen" the land they occupied? Or the Aboriginees in Australia?
Are you saying that EVERY Amerindian tribe just settled into empty land and never took land from other tribes? Are you serious? You do realize that they fought wars amongst each other? And land was taken over by one tribe or another. Look at the expansion of the Sioux/Lakota. To claim that native tribes simply settled into open space and left other tribes alone in their spaces is an utterly ludicrous proposition.
If we lived next door to each other (god forbid), and I walked over with a gun and forcibly evicted you, claiming your property, would that not be a theft of your property?
It'd be illegal, so yes. Lefty is 100% correct. You can't call something theft when it is considered legal and acceptable.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Remember, it takes fifty years for a conquered base to become "yours"...Arise ye starvelings from your slumbers; arise ye prisoners of want
The reason for revolt now thunders; and at last ends the age of "can't"
Away with all your superstitions -servile masses, arise, arise!
We'll change forthwith the old conditions And spurn the dust to win the prize
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Can you prove that the Amerinds who were forcibly displaced by European settlers had previously "stolen" the land they occupied? Or the Aboriginees in Australia?
Are you saying that EVERY Amerindian tribe just settled into empty land and never took land from other tribes?
You do realize that they fought wars amongst each other? And land was taken over by one tribe or another. Look at the expansion of the Sioux/Lakota.
And the Sioux expansion you're referring to was post-colonial, now, wasn't it? A time when Amerinds were certainly experiencing a land/resource crunch, thanks to...what?
To claim that native tribes simply settled into open space and left other tribes alone in their spaces is an utterly ludicrous proposition.
Sure, warfare happened, but note where I pointed out where warfare over land, i.e. wars of conquest, was "the exception, not the rule"
It'd be illegal, so yes. Lefty is 100% correct. You can't call something theft when it is considered legal and acceptable.
The fact is, plenty of people at the time, notably missionaries, were decrying the treatment of the natives.
Speaking of legality, how about all those signed treaties with the Amerind tribes that were subsequently and categorically violated by the American government? Those Sioux you mentioned could teach you a lot about that.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Did I say EVERY? You do realize that your position is one of EVERY, so mine just has to show that not every did?
EVERY? Proof?
And the Sioux expansion you're referring to was post-colonial, now, wasn't it? A time when Amerinds were certainly experiencing a land/resource crunch, thanks to...what?
Can you prove that didn't happen for EVERY tribe?
In many other areas of the US, especially the midwest and west outside of Arizona, New Mexico and southern Colorado, there are too few records of anything of note to ever determine the patterns of settlement, migration and displacement, let alone any causes.
Sure, warfare happened, but note where I pointed out where warfare over land, i.e. wars of conquest, was "the exception, not the rule"When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."
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