True or False - Democrats Care About Troops??

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Where did I suggest J. Edgar Hoover was alive?!

And as for the Veterans. I've worked at a Veteran's Hospital for a summer or two -thankless, grueling work-, I know that they have it tough, but should we really have to make our kids pay for them*, or sacrifice a war on terror?

No, quite not. It is unfortunate but there is NO alternative.

Maybe Cutting out big-ticket porkbarrel items, such as LHD 8, a $800 million Amphibious Helicoper Carrier foisted upon the navy by Republican Senator Trent Lott?

[Wiglaf]

What?

[Boris Godunov]

Cut pork barrell military pet projects = more money to pay the troops better and offer more benefits.

Duh.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
What?

You never heard of that? The Navy wanted to end the LHD run at 7 ships, but that would have stopped mucho money from heading to Mississippi (where the yard was). So Trent Lott bullyed the Navy into buying a LHD they didn't want or need. The Navy even refered to it as the "Trent Lott" in internal memos until Lott found out, and had them knock it off.

It's porkbarrels like that that cause us not to be able to fight wars and fund Veterans and Servicemember's benefits. While it isn't only Republicans who do it, Forceing the Navy to buy a $800 million ship (and now they'll have to spend mucho $$$ to maintain it) is up near the top for "worst possible expenditure")


(Incidently, the Navy wanted to use some of that money to build several new Enlisted Barracks in san Diego and Norfolk. Whoops! Only one has been able to be built!)

[Wiglaf]

It's porkbarrels like that that cause us not to be able to fight wars and fund Veterans and Servicemember's benefits. While it isn't only Republicans who do it, Forceing the Navy to buy a $800 million ship (and now they'll have to spend mucho $$$ to maintain it) is up near the top for "worst possible expenditure")

1. Well I'm sure it's a damn good ship.

2. And Trent Lott DOES NOT EQUAL George Bush. Do not blame one for the expenditures of another.

3. And $800 million is a small price to pay for a great man, and a great senator like Trent Lott.

See? Three reasons. All of which show you to be wrong. Plus, Kerry is a bigger tool, he is owned by his wife

[Shi Huangdi]

Lonestar = TROLLED!

[Zero]

This thread started out funny and excellent and got quickly got boring....

I think im gonna go resume watching Fat Joe's Music video on BET instead..........................................

[KrazyHorse]

3. And $800 million is a small price to pay for a great man, and a great senator like Trent Lott.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


1. Well I'm sure it's a damn good ship.

An H&K USP .45 compact is a damn good gun. Do I need one? No. The Navy didn't need the ship. They didn't want the ship. Instead, a Senior (civilian!) Republican told the Navy you're going to piss away an amount equal to most countries entire defense budgets on a ship you don't want or need.

2. And Trent Lott DOES NOT EQUAL George Bush. Do not blame one for the expenditures of another.

Your entire thread seems to be laying blame on Democrats. I'm pointing out how at least one Senior Republican (as Bush has already been pointed out to be unfriendly to the military) helped actively created a situation where the military was having funding issues because they were now contract-bound to by crap they didn't want. Expensive crap. If they never had to have do that, We would probably have been able to have the Tax cuts, fight the war, AND give the VA the funding it deserves(amoung other agencies).

3. And $800 million is a small price to pay for a great man, and a great senator like Trent Lott.

It was a great, big, blinking price that could have gone to VA, servicemembers benefits, or (for those of us who think technology=good for defence) the chronically underfunded National Lab system. Trent Lott is not greater than any of these. He's just a Jackass hick who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut at Thurmond's birthday parties.

See? Three reasons. All of which show you to be wrong.

First reason doesn't explain WHY the navy should pay for a ship it doesn't want or needs. (same goes for most military pork-barrel projects foisted upon by Congress. All usually have high quality products, most weren't needed in the first place)


Second Reason completely ignores the point I was trying to make. While Dems are no great shakes with porkbarrel projects, Republicans aren't any better. In fact, many are worse. And then they cut VA and Servicemember Bennies and blame it on tight finances.

Third reason: Why in God's name is a senator from Mississippi "great" relative to the rest of the states? How much money does his state contribute in Federal Taxes? Less than California, Texas, Florida, NY, Washington, Virginia, etc. I'm sure. Why should this great man Who chose not to serve in the military during the vietnam war be able to tell all these Senior military officers with years and years of experience how to run their services? Oversight is one think, actively forcing them to spend money to benefit his craptastic state is another.

(sorry DinoDoc)

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Lonestar = TROLLED!

I can't help it, for some reason Wiglaf reminds me of a guy we had on sd.net awhile Back.

Stewie the octuplet PhD

[Pekka]

Ship don't pay veterans benefits. And it doesn't pay their medicine either, thus if you have to cut from there, the ship should go first. Men before machines.

[Guynemer]

I forgot how much I missed you, Wiggums.

[Wiglaf]

Lonestar,

An H&K USP .45 compact is a damn good gun. Do I need one? No.

A silly example, everyone either owns a gun or should own a gun.

our entire thread seems to be laying blame on Democrats. I'm pointing out how at least one Senior Republican (as Bush has already been pointed out to be unfriendly to the military) helped actively created a situation where the military was having funding issues because they were now contract-bound to by crap they didn't want. Expensive crap. If they never had to have do that, We would probably have been able to have the Tax cuts, fight the war, AND give the VA the funding it deserves(amoung other agencies).

HAHAHAHAHAH This is incorrect. $800 million would not pay for Iraq war or tax breaks. No, it would barely buy a vote in our great senate. You people talk about checking facts, and yet you blame ONE superb and intelligent man, Senator Lott, with creating our (relatively small) national debt. The ship is useful, it will be used, and you seem to think $800 mil is a ton of money, it isn't anymore, this isn't 1920. Need I remind you that John Kerry's wife, Teresa [insert brand name here], is a mega-billionaire who owns a freakin island and is trying to take over the world Nov 2?

So Trent Lott didn't serve in Vietnam. Neither did Bill Clinton or his libido. Enough of your back-peddling waffle-flipping "Would you like syrup with that flip-flop."

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Lonestar,



A silly example, everyone either owns a gun or should own a gun.

I don't own a gun. You see, in our family, men have penises.

HAHAHAHAHAH This is incorrect. $800 million would not pay for Iraq war or tax breaks. No, it would barely buy a vote in our great senate. You people talk about checking facts, and yet you blame ONE superb and intelligent man, Senator Lott, with creating our (relatively small) national debt. The ship is useful, it will be used, and you seem to think $800 mil is a ton of money, it isn't anymore, this isn't 1920. Need I remind you that John Kerry's wife, Teresa [insert brand name here], is a mega-billionaire who owns a freakin island and is trying to take over the world Nov 2?

So Trent Lott didn't serve in Vietnam. Neither did Bill Clinton or his libido. Enough of your back-peddling waffle-flipping "Would you like syrup with that flip-flop."

You must have been reading a different post. Your busy official duties as Webelo Leader have clearly clouded your ability to understand English.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Lonestar
You see, in our family, men have penises.

I don't believe you.