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  • Return stuff counted last year. But this year people wanted to add return yards to offensive players. So it made no sense to have return yards count for players and defenses (and we couldn't fit both in without dropping another stat).

    Besides, we select Kickers, so it isn't really DEF/ST.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • Diss, you're on the clock, dude.

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      • He better not pull a Sloww .
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • ack! running backs are slim pickens right now. This is going to take me some time

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          • It's the 9th round, OF COURSE RB's are slim pickings!
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • Originally posted by Dissident
              ack! running backs are slim pickens right now. This is going to take me some time
              C'mon, take Emmitt!

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              • ahh, there is an obvious one staring me in the face. I'd rather risk it on him than be forced to draft the Detroit starting running back. No one should be forced to start their running back . There are a couple of rookies with a couple teams (which I will not name) that look real promising. But that's the problem with picking this early. You don't know if they will end up being the starter or not.

                My pick is Travis Minor, Running Back Miami Dolphins.

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                • Originally posted by Dissident
                  Travis Minor, RB Miami Dolphins

                  1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
                  2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
                  3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
                  4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
                  5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
                  6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
                  7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
                  8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
                  9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
                  10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
                  11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
                  12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

                  1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
                  1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
                  1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
                  1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
                  1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
                  1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
                  1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
                  1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
                  1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
                  1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
                  1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
                  1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

                  2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
                  2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
                  2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
                  2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
                  2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
                  2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
                  2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
                  2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
                  2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
                  2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
                  2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
                  2.01 Donovan McNabb, QB (PHI)

                  3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
                  3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
                  3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
                  3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
                  3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
                  3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
                  3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
                  3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
                  3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
                  3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
                  3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
                  3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

                  4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
                  4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
                  4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
                  4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
                  4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
                  4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
                  4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
                  4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
                  4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
                  4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
                  4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
                  4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

                  5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
                  5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)
                  5.03 Chris Chambers,, WR (MIA)
                  5.04 Aaron Brooks, QB (NO)
                  5.05 Amani Toomer, WR (NYG)
                  5.06 Tom Brady, QB (NE)
                  5.07 Marc Bulger, QB (StL)
                  5.08 Peter Warrick, WR (CIN)
                  5.09 New England, DEF (NE)
                  5.10 Charlie Garner, RB (TB)
                  5.11 Darrell Jackson, WR (SEA)
                  5.12 Reggie Wayne, WR (IND)

                  6.12 Plaxico Burress, WR (PIT)
                  6.11 Duce Staley, RB (PIT)
                  6.10 Dante Hall, WR (KC)
                  6.09 Kellen Winslow, TE (CLE)
                  6.08 Baltimore, DEF (BAL)
                  6.07 Todd Heap, TE (BAL)
                  6.06 David Boston, WR (MIA)
                  6.05 Minnesota, DEF (MIN)
                  6.04 Dallas, DEF (DAL)
                  6.03 Tennessee, DEF (TEN)
                  6.02 Mike Vanderjagt, K (IND)
                  6.01 Chad Pennington, QB (NYJ)

                  7.01 Jeremy Shockey, TE (NYG)
                  7.02 Antonio Gates, TE (SD)
                  7.03 Koren Robinson , WR (SEA)
                  7.04 Charles Rogers, WR (DET)
                  7.05 Marcus Pollard, TE (IND)
                  7.06 Chris Brown, RB (TENN)
                  7.07 Isaac Bruce, WR (STL)
                  7.08 Jeff Wilkins, K (STL)
                  7.09 Warrick Dunn, RB (ATL)
                  7.10 Keenan McCardell, WR (TB)
                  7.11 Alge Crumpler, TE (ATL)
                  7.12 Jon Kitna, QB (CIN)

                  8.12 Carolina, DEF (CAR)
                  8.11 Philadelphia, DEF (PHI)
                  8.10 Tampa Bay, DEF (TB)
                  8.09 Brad Johnson, QB (TB)
                  8.08 Freddie Jones, TE (ARZ)
                  8.07 Julius Jones, RB (DAL)
                  8.06 Jacksonville, DEF (JAC)
                  8.05 Joey Harrington, QB (DET)
                  8.04 David Akers, K (PHI)
                  8.03 Roy Williams, WR (DET)
                  8.02 Josh McCown, QB (ARZ)
                  8.01 Jay Feely, K (ATL)

                  9.01 Larry Fitzgerald, WR (ARZ)
                  9.02 Quentin Griffin, RB (DEN)
                  9.03 Moe Williams, RB (MIN)
                  9.04 Lee Suggs, RB (CLE)
                  9.05 Brandon Lloyd, WR (SF)
                  9.06 Boo Williams, TE (NO)
                  9.07 Miami, DEF (MIA)
                  9.08 Travis Minor, RB (MIA)

                  !
                  -Jrabbit is up!!

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                  • Good pick with Minor

                    *Bump, lets keep it going.
                    Monkey!!!

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                    • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                      He better not pull a Sloww .
                      I was just joking. What? do you think I'm old or something?

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                      • Just checking in -- I'm on it. Gimme a bit of time to see wazzup...
                        Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
                        RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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                        • Kevin Jones is taken
                          Monkey!!!

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                          • Amazingly, he's still there. Jeff Garcia is now a Cute Little Bunny.

                            1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
                            2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
                            3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
                            4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
                            5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
                            6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
                            7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
                            8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
                            9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
                            10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
                            11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
                            12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

                            1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
                            1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
                            1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
                            1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
                            1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
                            1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
                            1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
                            1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
                            1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
                            1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
                            1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
                            1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

                            2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
                            2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
                            2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
                            2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
                            2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
                            2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
                            2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
                            2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
                            2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
                            2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
                            2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
                            2.01 Donovan McNabb, QB (PHI)

                            3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
                            3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
                            3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
                            3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
                            3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
                            3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
                            3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
                            3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
                            3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
                            3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
                            3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
                            3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

                            4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
                            4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
                            4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
                            4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
                            4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
                            4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
                            4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
                            4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
                            4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
                            4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
                            4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
                            4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

                            5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
                            5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)
                            5.03 Chris Chambers,, WR (MIA)
                            5.04 Aaron Brooks, QB (NO)
                            5.05 Amani Toomer, WR (NYG)
                            5.06 Tom Brady, QB (NE)
                            5.07 Marc Bulger, QB (StL)
                            5.08 Peter Warrick, WR (CIN)
                            5.09 New England, DEF (NE)
                            5.10 Charlie Garner, RB (TB)
                            5.11 Darrell Jackson, WR (SEA)
                            5.12 Reggie Wayne, WR (IND)

                            6.12 Plaxico Burress, WR (PIT)
                            6.11 Duce Staley, RB (PIT)
                            6.10 Dante Hall, WR (KC)
                            6.09 Kellen Winslow, TE (CLE)
                            6.08 Baltimore, DEF (BAL)
                            6.07 Todd Heap, TE (BAL)
                            6.06 David Boston, WR (MIA)
                            6.05 Minnesota, DEF (MIN)
                            6.04 Dallas, DEF (DAL)
                            6.03 Tennessee, DEF (TEN)
                            6.02 Mike Vanderjagt, K (IND)
                            6.01 Chad Pennington, QB (NYJ)

                            7.01 Jeremy Shockey, TE (NYG)
                            7.02 Antonio Gates, TE (SD)
                            7.03 Koren Robinson , WR (SEA)
                            7.04 Charles Rogers, WR (DET)
                            7.05 Marcus Pollard, TE (IND)
                            7.06 Chris Brown, RB (TENN)
                            7.07 Isaac Bruce, WR (STL)
                            7.08 Jeff Wilkins, K (STL)
                            7.09 Warrick Dunn, RB (ATL)
                            7.10 Keenan McCardell, WR (TB)
                            7.11 Alge Crumpler, TE (ATL)
                            7.12 Jon Kitna, QB (CIN)

                            8.12 Carolina, DEF (CAR)
                            8.11 Philadelphia, DEF (PHI)
                            8.10 Tampa Bay, DEF (TB)
                            8.09 Brad Johnson, QB (TB)
                            8.08 Freddie Jones, TE (ARZ)
                            8.07 Julius Jones, RB (DAL)
                            8.06 Jacksonville, DEF (JAC)
                            8.05 Joey Harrington, QB (DET)
                            8.04 David Akers, K (PHI)
                            8.03 Roy Williams, WR (DET)
                            8.02 Josh McCown, QB (ARZ)
                            8.01 Jay Feely, K (ATL)

                            9.01 Larry Fitzgerald, WR (ARZ)
                            9.02 Quentin Griffin, RB (DEN)
                            9.03 Moe Williams, RB (MIN)
                            9.04 Lee Suggs, RB (CLE)
                            9.05 Brandon Lloyd, WR (SF)
                            9.06 Boo Williams, TE (NO)
                            9.07 Miami, DEF (MIA)
                            9.08 Travis Minor, RB (MIA)
                            9.09 Jeff Garcia, QB (CLE)

                            Berzerker is on the clock.
                            Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
                            RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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                            • 9.01 Larry Fitzgerald, WR (ARZ)
                              9.02 Quentin Griffin, RB (DEN)
                              9.03 Moe Williams, RB (MIN)
                              9.04 Lee Suggs, RB (CLE)
                              9.05 Brandon Lloyd, WR (SF)
                              9.06 Boo Williams, TE (NO)
                              9.07 Miami, DEF (MIA)
                              9.08 Travis Minor, RB (MIA)
                              9.09 Jeff Garcia, QB (CLE)
                              9.10 Correl Buckhalter, RB (PHIL)

                              Imran is up

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                              • 1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
                                2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
                                3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
                                4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
                                5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
                                6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
                                7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
                                8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
                                9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
                                10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
                                11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
                                12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

                                1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
                                1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
                                1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
                                1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
                                1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
                                1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
                                1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
                                1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
                                1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
                                1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
                                1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
                                1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

                                2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
                                2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
                                2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
                                2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
                                2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
                                2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
                                2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
                                2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
                                2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
                                2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
                                2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
                                2.01 Donovan McNabb, QB (PHI)

                                3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
                                3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
                                3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
                                3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
                                3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
                                3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
                                3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
                                3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
                                3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
                                3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
                                3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
                                3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

                                4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
                                4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
                                4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
                                4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
                                4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
                                4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
                                4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
                                4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
                                4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
                                4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
                                4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
                                4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

                                5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
                                5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)
                                5.03 Chris Chambers,, WR (MIA)
                                5.04 Aaron Brooks, QB (NO)
                                5.05 Amani Toomer, WR (NYG)
                                5.06 Tom Brady, QB (NE)
                                5.07 Marc Bulger, QB (StL)
                                5.08 Peter Warrick, WR (CIN)
                                5.09 New England, DEF (NE)
                                5.10 Charlie Garner, RB (TB)
                                5.11 Darrell Jackson, WR (SEA)
                                5.12 Reggie Wayne, WR (IND)

                                6.12 Plaxico Burress, WR (PIT)
                                6.11 Duce Staley, RB (PIT)
                                6.10 Dante Hall, WR (KC)
                                6.09 Kellen Winslow, TE (CLE)
                                6.08 Baltimore, DEF (BAL)
                                6.07 Todd Heap, TE (BAL)
                                6.06 David Boston, WR (MIA)
                                6.05 Minnesota, DEF (MIN)
                                6.04 Dallas, DEF (DAL)
                                6.03 Tennessee, DEF (TEN)
                                6.02 Mike Vanderjagt, K (IND)
                                6.01 Chad Pennington, QB (NYJ)

                                7.01 Jeremy Shockey, TE (NYG)
                                7.02 Antonio Gates, TE (SD)
                                7.03 Koren Robinson , WR (SEA)
                                7.04 Charles Rogers, WR (DET)
                                7.05 Marcus Pollard, TE (IND)
                                7.06 Chris Brown, RB (TENN)
                                7.07 Isaac Bruce, WR (STL)
                                7.08 Jeff Wilkins, K (STL)
                                7.09 Warrick Dunn, RB (ATL)
                                7.10 Keenan McCardell, WR (TB)
                                7.11 Alge Crumpler, TE (ATL)
                                7.12 Jon Kitna, QB (CIN)

                                8.12 Carolina, DEF (CAR)
                                8.11 Philadelphia, DEF (PHI)
                                8.10 Tampa Bay, DEF (TB)
                                8.09 Brad Johnson, QB (TB)
                                8.08 Freddie Jones, TE (ARZ)
                                8.07 Julius Jones, RB (DAL)
                                8.06 Jacksonville, DEF (JAC)
                                8.05 Joey Harrington, QB (DET)
                                8.04 David Akers, K (PHI)
                                8.03 Roy Williams, WR (DET)
                                8.02 Josh McCown, QB (ARZ)
                                8.01 Jay Feely, K (ATL)

                                9.01 Larry Fitzgerald, WR (ARZ)
                                9.02 Quentin Griffin, RB (DEN)
                                9.03 Moe Williams, RB (MIN)
                                9.04 Lee Suggs, RB (CLE)
                                9.05 Brandon Lloyd, WR (SF)
                                9.06 Boo Williams, TE (NO)
                                9.07 Miami, DEF (MIA)
                                9.08 Travis Minor, RB (MIA)
                                9.09 Jeff Garcia, QB (CLE)
                                9.10 Correll Buckhalter, RB (PHI)
                                9.11 Ashley Lelie, WR (DEN)

                                Jac de Molay for 2!
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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