Some questions on the possible intervention in Sudan.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Azazel
Idiocy of some of my friends in the left - Exibit A

No. Wait for Comrade Tribune to come back before you express shame.

On the other hand, I disagree with just about everything Tripledoc just said.

And I'd like to thank the US House of Representatives again for terming the situation what it is: a genocide in progress.

[Az]

No. Wait for Comrade Tribune to come back before you express shame.

On the other hand, I disagree with just about everything Tripledoc just said.

CT.... I miss him.


And about congress: When will the US govt. do something? ( sadly, they're the only ones that can do anything of scale around, it seems)

[KrazyHorse]

Never. Nobody's going to do anything.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


No. If Koestler is right, then I wonder why the Jewish homestate was set up in Palestine and not in the Caucasus. But that would have been imposible, since I don't think Stalin would have been amused. I am not being reactionary, and wishing for a relocation of the state of Israel, I just think that maybe the British were not thinking straight, back when Palestine was their mandate. Off course at that time the empire was falling apart, and maybe that confused them.

Perhaps because then, as now, not all Jews claim descent from Khazars nor do they necessarily agree with the ideas of Arthur Koestler.

British Mandate of Palestine: San Remo Conference, 1920.

State of British Empire at that point: largest empire the world had ever seen, with a population numbering one quarter of the world's inhabitants. The Irish had yet to receive independence, Egypt had yet to receive independence, the Dominions had not achieved full autonomy and Great Britain was still occupying Istanbul and the Straits and had sent forces to Bolshevik Russia.

"In 1920 at the San Remo conference in Italy, the League of Nations mandate over Palestine and Transjordan was assigned to Britain. This territory at this time included all of what would later become the State of Israel, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, a part of the Golan Heights, and the Kingdom of Jordan. The population of this area was mainly Arab, although with a significant Jewish minority (approaching 10%), and Bedouin and Druze.

The document defining Britain's obligations as Mandate power copied the text of the Balfour Declaration concerning the establishment of a Jewish homeland, including that Declaration's deliberate ambiguity. Many articles of the document specified actions in support of Jewish immigration and political status.

"The British government put severe limitations on Jewish immigration to Palestine. Immigration was allowed, but up to a certain quota. "

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#Establishment_of_British_League_of_Nations_mandate

Instead of patronizing British government in Palestine and viewing through hindsight, why not check your posts for relevant dates to support your argument.

[KrazyHorse]

the Dominions had not achieved full autonomy

At least one had.

[Az]

Never. Nobody's going to do anything.

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[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Instead of patronizing British government in Palestine and viewing through hindsight, why not check your posts for relevant dates to support your argument.

They gave in to terrorism.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

the Dominions had not achieved full autonomy

At least one had.

"This document from the 1926 Imperial Conference declares the United Kingdom and its Dominions equal in status in all matters of internal and external affairs. This replaced the principle of a hierarchical relationship with one of 'autonomous communities within the British empire, equal in status ... and freely associated as members of the British Commonwealth of Nations'.

One of many printed copies, this document represents an important step in Australia's path to independent nationhood. This step was based on agreement to this report at the 1926 Imperial Conference, by which the British Commonwealth accepted the principles underpinning the autonomy of the self-governing Dominions. The international recognition of the free and equal status of the Dominion members of the League of Nations was thus affirmed within the British Commonwealth. The law enacting these principles was the Statute of Westminster in 1931, adopted by Australia in 1942. "

http://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/text_only/places/cth/cth11.htm

and:

"The statement (not to be confused with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 by which the British government favoured a Jewish national home in Palestine) is named (like the earlier document) after the Earl of Balfour (Arthur James Balfour, 1848-1930), Lord President of the Council in the British government and chairman of the Conference's inter-Imperial relations committee, which drew up the document preparatory to its approval by the Imperial premiers at their sitting of November 15.

The Declaration FORMALLY accepted the growing political and diplomatic independence shown particularly by Canada since World War I. It also accepted that the Governor-General, (the representative of the King, who remained head of state in each Dominion) should no longer serve automatically also as the representative of the British government in diplomatic relations between the two countries, foreshadowing the appointment (1928) of a British High Commissioner in Ottawa. "

http://www.fact-index.com/b/ba/balfour_declaration__1926.html

I just sank your battleship.

[KrazyHorse]

They had already achieved full autonomy.

Recognising it took about an extra ten years.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


They gave in to terrorism.

I'm sorry, is that an argument for or against Palestinian and Irish and Algerian independence, and homelands?

I'm confused.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by molly bloom
the Dominions had not achieved full autonomy

*cough* *cough*

[KrazyHorse]

The US was never a Dominion of the British Empire

Jesus, don't they ever teach you stuff in school?

[Kuciwalker]

Close enough

[KrazyHorse]

The closest you can come to that claim is Virginia, which was termed the "Colony and Dominion of Virginia"

The first true Dominion of the British Empire was, IIRC, Canada.

[Kuciwalker]

Well I live in Virginia. So there.