Democratic Convention

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Kidicious


He's a flip-flopper.

The Bush administration has greatly exaggerated Kerry's so-called "flip-flopping" by ignoring the reason, or how Kerry came to change his initiail vote on such proposals as new defense bills that really have nothing to do with giving our soldiers effective equipment, but rather with enriching certain companies and businesses.


I don't think you know much about how the legislation process actually works.

[Kidlicious]

Bush and Kerry are both flip floppers, big time! I feel sorry for you undecideds who feel the compeling duty to vote.

[Sava]

Kerry's speech was great. I always thought him to be a stiff, but he made a fan out of me. He looked and sounded presidential. I think we'll have a new president come November.



YIPPY!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrFun
The Bush administration has greatly exaggerated Kerry's so-called "flip-flopping" by ignoring the reason

I really did vote for the 87 billion before I voted against it.

[MrFun]

Oh look . . . . .


someone else who doesn't know of the nuances, complexities, and bargaining of the legislative process.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by MrFun
I don't think you know much about how the legislation process actually works.

I know that someone who implies that we shouldn't nation build and then says we need more troops to nation build in the same damn speech is a flip flopper.

[MrFun]

I don't think that's what he meant with his firehouse comment, Kid . . . .

I think he was referring to the cutbacks that the police and firefighting forces experienced here in United States? Or no?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by MrFun
I don't think that's what he meant with his firehouse comment, Kid . . . .

I think he was referring to the cutbacks that the police and firefighting forces experienced here in United States? Or no?

And tell me how that is connected to Iraq.

[DinoDoc]

Just for you Mr Fun: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...ssing_compass/

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Kidicious


And tell me how that is connected to Iraq.

Uh, let's see if you can hold two concepts in your head simultaneously and compare them.

Spending US tax money nationbuilding, (i.e. firehouses in Baghdad) vs. simultaneously reducing public services in the US due to lack of funding...

There, that wasn't too hard, was it, tovarich?

[DinoDoc]

Firehouses are funded by the States and counties not the Federal government. The same reason why my gives a **** breaks whenever a candidate for federal office expects me to takes his education programs seriously.

[Sava]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Firehouses are funded by the States and counties not the Federal government. The same reason why my gives a **** breaks whenever a candidate for federal office expects me to takes his education programs seriously.

uhmmm the federal government does give states and local govt's funds for education

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Yup thats exactly what it sounds like. Which means ive got a choice between the folks who cant competently implement nation building, and a guy who doesnt understand its an essential part of the WOT.


Can I puhleeze get to vote for Tony Blair???

The flip side of "nationbuilding" is creating new targets for low-rent *******s to blow up as their way of sending messages, by hiring a limited number of contractors who are thoroughly versed in the legal corruption of government procurement (or hiring locals who are so corrupt they put our guys to shame), while running record deficits, swelling the national debt beyond all reason, and having the constant instability affect resource prices, further straining the economy.

Nationbuilding is nice in theory, but nationbuilding in the midst of unresolved hostilities isn't really doing a hell of a lot for us, so far.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sava
uhmmm the federal government does give states and local govt's funds for education

Who pays most of the money? There's a cookie for you if you get the right answer.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Firehouses are funded by the States and counties not the Federal government.

The Feds used to return a lot of money to the states, which in turn helped the states fund things education and fire protection. Because of this recent recession, most states have had well publicized fiscal troubles. At the same time, the Feds promised money for police and fire protection, then didn't deliver.

The point being, if we can find the money to give rebuild Iraq, we havve the money to rebuild America. Obviously, when they want to succeed at something, they won't leave it to the free market, but at home state interference is bad.