Democratic Convention

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


Yeah it was.

She used the tired old line, "I should be able to voice my opinion and not be considered a b1tch the same way men can."

That implies that men like guys who are *******s. If you're an *******, you're an *******, just because you are a guy you don't get any special privileges. It implies that men are out oppressing women because of their opinions. Which isn't the case.

That's not what she said. She didn't say that no one likes *****, but they like ********. She said women who voice their opinions are unfairly considered *****es.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Kidicious


She said women who voice their opinions are unfairly considered *****es.

And WHO exactly are the people unfairly considering them *****es? Other women?

The point is, nobody likes b1tches or azzholes. Gender has nothing to do with it. It's a tired old line that is misleading and untrue.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


And WHO exactly are the people unfairly considering them *****es? Other women?

The point is, nobody likes b1tches or azzholes. Gender has nothing to do with it. It's a tired old line that is misleading and untrue.

Ted,

All you are doing is what she is accusing people of. You're saying that women who voice their opinion are *****es. Men who voice their opinion are not considered this way.

And yes, some women are the most guilty of this, but what does that matter.

[Ted Striker]

No, you are setting up a strawman, and a poor argument at that

Women are free to express their opinions, duh, it's a free country

The point is with that line of thinking goes, if the guy says something that is considered arrogant or belligerent, he is considered a stud and people like him. If the woman says the same thing, she's a b1tch. That's such BS. If they say the same things that piss people off, people will see them both the same.

I don't know anybody that considers a woman a b1tch just because she speaks her mind. If she says something belligerent than she doesn't get a free pass just because she's a woman.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
No, you are setting up a strawman, and a poor argument at that

Women are free to express their opinions, duh, it's a free country

The point is with that line of thinking goes, if the guy says something that is considered arrogant or belligerent, he is considered a stud and people like him. If the woman says the same thing, she's a b1tch. That's such BS. If they say the same things that piss people off, people will see them both the same.

I don't know anybody that considers a woman a b1tch just because she speaks her mind. If she says something belligerent than she doesn't get a free pass just because she's a woman.

I think women know much better than you Ted.

[Ted Striker]

So how does that favor your argument since you're not a woman? (Unless you are one).

[Pekka]

I disagree. If a guy comes arrogant, he's nothing but a punk. At least in my eyes he is.

[Ted Striker]

SuperCitizen, exactly

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
So how does that favor your argument since you're not a woman? (Unless you are one).

No. I'm a man, but I believe I have more empathy for people different from me than you do. And more importantly, I know myself.

And by the way arrogant is not the same as speaking your mind. If you would just look closely at your own argument you might see something revealing about yourself.

[Ted Striker]

Yeah, right, so now you are claiming the moral high ground and a superior self-awareness above someone you have never met as to why you are correct.

I am glad your amatuer psychological analysis is involved.

And by the way you are assuming that all women buy into that line.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Yeah, right, so now you are claiming the moral high ground and a superior self-awareness above someone you have never met as to why you are correct.

Why do I have to meet you in person. I can tell a lot about you by your posts.

Originally posted by Ted Striker
I am glad your amatuer psychological analysis is involved.

You don't have to be a psychologist to recognize sexism.

Originally posted by Ted Striker
And by the way you are assuming that all women buy into that line.

Nope. Many women don't want to be considered *****es, or they have been raised to not have their own opinions.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Why do I have to meet you in person. I can tell a lot about you by your posts.

You don't have to be a psychologist to recognize sexism.

Or maybe you are doing alot of projecting.

Nope. Many women don't want to be considered *****es, or they have been raised to not have their own opinions.

Yeah right, you keep going around and around. The most successful people I know, women AND men, have a gift of expressing their opinions without pissing people off.

My Aunt has the best social skills I have ever seen. Everybody that meets her loves her. She has the entire city she lives in networked and has an army of people she can call upon for favors. She certainly speaks her opinion, and nobody even remotely thinks she's a b1tch, in fact just the opposite is the case. The line about her goes, "she will tell you to go to hell and you will thank her for it."

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Yeah right, you keep going around and around. The most successful people I know, women AND men, have a gift of expressing their opinions without pissing people off.

Of course they are successfull if they don't say anything that pisses people off. Christ, are you paying attention to what you are writting. We aren't talking about saying things that everyone agrees with. We're talking about saying things that people don't agree with. Men are respected for this, while women generally aren't.

Originally posted by Ted Striker
The line about her goes, "she will tell you to go to hell and you will thank her for it."

People may say that, but are those the people who she told to go to hell. I doubt that.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Men are respected for this, while women generally aren't.

Which is an incorrect assumption on your part. Of all the bosses I've worked for, it's been about 50/50 in terms of male/female ratio. I've been lucky to have great bosses but I can say the biggest pr1cks were all men. Why were they pr1cks? Not by their treatment or job performance but the things that they said. I don't ever remember respecting them for it and if fact despised them for being dumbasses, with the agreement of my coworkers.

There was one woman who was a pr1cks but she was the exception. And I don't recall any of them being scared to "express their opinon."

People may say that, but are those the people who she told to go to hell. I doubt that.

Well you are wrong.



By the way I enjoy your personal attacks. Even though they are ineffective, they are highly amusing.

Why don't you have any empathy for me?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
By the way I enjoy your personal attacks. Even though they are ineffective, they are highly amusing.

Why don't you have any empathy for me?

I'm not attaking you. I don't naturally have a lot of empathy for people, but my understanding of people has improved over time. We aren't born into the world wanting to believe that people aren't treated fairly. White males have the most difficulty accepting this, because they are the accused.