What's your Stance on America?

[KrazyHorse]

That's funny, because I agree with that statement.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Dissident


everybody does that, not just americans.

True, but like I said, Americans have an affect on me. Other people don't so much.

[Kuciwalker]

So you're saying Americans are bad simply because of the random luck that makes them the superpower?

[Ramo]

Only if you want to streach things . Installing a party does not equal installing a party underling to power. It'd be like asserting that Communists had a role in installing Stalin to power when they backed the 1917 Revolution.

Again, we helped to install the party, as well as the specific faction of the party where Saddam was a big dog.

And yeah, the Bolshies did have a role in installing Stalin. It was their authoritarianism that paved the way for him.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
So you're saying Americans are bad simply because of the random luck that makes them the superpower?

No. I said that I can't rate them objectively.

[Japher]

Kid is biased because he lives in Fresno... If I based my rating off of Fresno only I would of given it far worse than I did.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Originally posted by Spiffor
I voted 2 because I deem your social model to be utterly nightmarish,

Well, duh, you're a commie. Most of the rest of the world is capitalist, too, though...

There are different tones of capitalism. So far, you are the only rich country (per capita wise) to allow such an immense misery on your territory, and even worse, that finds it perfectly normal - the American dream that everybody is responsible for himself has been twisted into now considering "welfare" as a political swear word
It has not to do with the theoritical aspect of my political beliefs, but with a gut feeling: that a country as amazingly rich as yours could give a decent living to the poor. Sweden is a capitalist country, yet I consider its social model way better than anything having existed so far, simply because they don't let anybody to die in the gutter, now that they can afford it.

Besides, I'm not saying all other rich countries are flawless about it. With the same notation, curent France would barely deserve more than 4. Maybe 5.

because of your consistent bullying over the world ever since you became a superpower,

That's basically the definition of the word, and nothing special regardless.

The fact you're a superpower is quite special in my opinion. You're the only one right now. So I find it pretty normal that you take some flak about it.

because of an apparent American unability to question its self-righteousness.

Which is of course why people like Michael Moore don't exist... what really seperates us from all past powers is that we do have a large segment of our population at least willing, or more than willing to question our self-righteousness (oftentimes, whether such questions are justified or not).

I don't really think so. Michael Moore and others oppose the leadership, they oppose the methods. But I have yet to see somebody who opposes the idea that the US has it all to make the world a better place, a place that looks more like it, and a place where the US bears the vision of the future.
I think the US is stongly suffering from the "white man's burden" syndrome we Europeans had a century ago. And very few seem to oppose both the "burden" and the superpower-status (they go together)

But indeed, the US is probably the least terrible victim of the "White man's burden" sickness. 1çth century's Britain and France both deserve a sound 1, for lack of a worse mark in this poll.

[Last Conformist]

This thread is stupid.

As is everybody who posts in it.

[Jamski]

Like whjo care s what he US doies? Its jist Bush beinga a frickingwarmonger anywqay-. nothing to do wihtnamricka! is it?

.Jma

[Kuciwalker]

The fact you're a superpower is quite special in my opinion. You're the only one right now. So I find it pretty normal that you take some flak about it.

Simply being a superpower can't make one "bad", any more than having strong muscles or being intelligent can.

[Jamski]

No no no

superpwner made rsuuain bad and emieka too!

everyone MSUT see this trurth!

.and

[Kuciwalker]

I don't really think so. Michael Moore and others oppose the leadership, they oppose the methods. But I have yet to see somebody who opposes the idea that the US has it all to make the world a better place, a place that looks more like it, and a place where the US bears the vision of the future.

So you disagree that the US has the power (and if it has the power, then the responsibility) to spread democracy and freedom?

[Jamski]

the usa id like so ATI fmeocratic that it HUEt!

hey are o nly havi g like 3 paties anf tnaare the SAME!

I mean yiou call that deomcetrcia, buit rella its hjust waht comapxcy dfo auwa ntr to vioe for?

RUBBISH!

_ja

[St Leo]

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Imagine if George Bush were PM of Canada and Canada was a world power... with the kind of authority the PM has here, we'd be fighting 10 wars right now and the world would look something like a crater. As crazy as GWB may seem at times, be thankful he's president of the United States and not President of the USSR or some other theoretical, highly centralized, superpower.

GWB would have lost a Confidence Vote and been toast.

[Spiffor]

Jamski?

Like THE Jamski who has just played approximatively 2000 hours of NWN in the past 3 months?