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If a beggar gives you **** after you put a quarter in his cup because it wasn't a dollar, you should do your best retrieve that quarter, or, failing that, not give any money to him in the future. Self respect demands it.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891 -
You mean DanS's rant was directed at himself?!Originally posted by DinoDoc
Whining bastards I assume.
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Hey, I'm no bastard! (Or at least no rat bastard.)I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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It started with your claim that you're smarter than people who carry on having unprotected sex despite a high probability of contracting AIDS. I replied that if smarter is defined as valuing risk minimization over sexual gratification, yes. You then said that this was "stupid" - it was about avoiding death, not minimizing risk. I'm still trying to see what distinction you're making between minimizing risk and trying and avoiding death, since risk being minimized in context is the risk of death.Originally posted by David Floyd
Well, I have had no sleep in almost 24 hours, but I just don't see your point. I'm simply saying that while one may have a reasonable expectation of not getting AIDs in the US, even without using a condom, that expectation doesn't exist in much of Africa. As a result, one can have a lot of unprotected sex in the US without getting sick, which would be virtually impossible elsewhere in the world.
I believe this line of argument started when someone (forget who) used the phrase "reasonable expectation" of being able to have sex, or something like that.
You've demonstrated that you don't agree with those reasons. Thanks, we knew that already. You've not even tried to defeat them by their own terms.And I was rebutting those reasons.
You don't have a point.Then why don't you tell me?
Perhaps because it would make my point?
That's hardly my problem.Hehe, and here I thought we were arguing "should", rather than "is".
Tell Bush and the Christian Right (tm):In that case, the US policy is abstinence, because the powers that be decided it should be. Tough luck, end of discussion.
Under the influence of the Christian right, Bush has adopted the so-called ABC approach to Aids prevention - A for abstinence, B for being faithful and C for condoms. But condoms are to be promoted only for use by 'high risk groups' such as prostitutes and drug abusers, with sexual abstinence the objective for all unmarried young people.
BTW, you also get to pay for the retrovirals for those who've already got HIV infections.And for that matter, WRT Africa, the powers that be have decided that I DON'T have to pay for their condoms, apparently.
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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"Under the influence of the Christian right, Bush has adopted the so-called ABC approach to Aids prevention - A for abstinence, B for being faithful and C for condoms. But condoms are to be promoted only for use by 'high risk groups' such as prostitutes and drug abusers, with sexual abstinence the objective for all unmarried young people."
Jebus Chryst, that means my characterisation of the way Bush and co. "promote" the ABC method is entirely accurate. I'm scared that I can predict the worst Republican behaviour so skilfully
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summary"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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the ABC approach, used in Uganda, has reduced the rate of HIV infection.
per the Guttmacher quotes, other ABC approaches, with slightly more emphasis on the C, may be just as effective.
Theres no evidence of an approach that more effective than the Uganda approach.
Social Conservatives in the US would like an AB approach only, but thats not admin policy.
Ergo a lot of people arguing over nothing in particular.
OTOH, the real criticism of the current approach, is NOT how much emphasis it gives to one element or another, but that NOT ENOUGH is being spent overall."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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double-posts don't make you anymore sexyA lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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I might add that I know for a fact that condom use was pushed heavily in Uganda under its ABC policy. A good friend of mine did Peace Corps work there and described to me the myriad of condom ads paid for by Uncle Sam.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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