Bill O'Reilly sez you're unpatriotic if...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
What is legitimate is really just a matter of political opinion then.

Yes.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Ouch! They need to update those books

Not quite update... they knew what they were putting in there was incorrect

[Agathon]

Berz has lost the argument.

He's resorted to replying to almost every single sentence with vague irrelevancies.

Nice try.

[Sava]

jesus christ berz, that was a long ass post

[Agathon]

Read it, Sava. Most of it is completely meaningless.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Berzerker


Is morality supernatural? Morality is the basis for rights, they are moral claims to act... Some people don't believe in inherent rights but do believe they should be created by society, that's neither a material object or supernatural...

That's precisely the point. If we by morality understand a societal code of conduct, it's not supernatural. If we consider it to be an absolute set of rules existing independently of material consequences, to borrow Aggie's phrase, it's supernatural.

[Last Conformist]

Berz:

It's amazingly natural, well, the amazing part is you think it's bizarre. Self-ownership is hard-wired into us and we can see it with acts of self-defense and survival.

I too, do not see anything inherently bizarre with the idea.

I do note, however, that among 200+ countries on the planet, not one recognizes full legal ownership of your body. Nonetheless, no-one seems to be upset. This would require some explanation if the belief in self-ownership is hard-wired into us ...