Yet another Iraqi lie refuted

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Re: Yet another Iraqi lie refuted

Originally posted by Kucinich
Ironic, considering that I've only heard the question once or twice from people like Fez... whereas I here it almost constantly from lefties who talk about the WoT.

Really? This should jot your memory, then.

Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship

President Bush yesterday defended his assertions that there was a relationship between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda, putting him at odds with this week's finding of the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission.

"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting. As evidence, he cited Iraqi intelligence officers' meeting with bin Laden in Sudan. "There's numerous contacts between the two," Bush said.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kucinich
So?

You can choose either real politick or some sort of lofty position *cough* human rights *cough* but not both.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Snooze.

Saddam only became bad when he was no longer an US lackey.

So did China.

[Kuciwalker]

Re: Re: Re: Yet another Iraqi lie refuted

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Really? This should jot your memory, then.

Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship

Bush doesn't post on Apolyton.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
You can choose either real politick or some sort of lofty position *cough* human rights *cough* but not both.

Why not?

[Cruddy]

Anybody who really believed Al-Qaeda would have anything to do with Saddam are AMAZINGLY ignorant of the attitudes of both.

EDIT:

I'm not saying there aren't people all over the world who are this stupid - but stupidity is not something to be encouraged or to be proud of.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Anybody who really believed Al-Qaeda would have anything to do with Saddam are AMAZINGLY ignorant of the attitudes of both.

Why? Baathist Syria manages to cooperate with fundamentalist Iran and Hizbollah. There is today cooperation in Iraq between Zarqawi and ex-Baathists.


This is not to say that there WAS cooperation between AQ and Iraq. But the barrier in the early '90s seems to have been Iraqs reluctance to take the risks associated with giving shelter to AQ, not any reluctance on the part of AQ to approach Iraq for help.

[Cruddy]

LOTM - you are SERIOUSLY saying you believe collusion between AQ and a secular state?

AQ hate rulers like Saddam.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cruddy
LOTM - you are SERIOUSLY saying you believe collusion between AQ and a secular state?

AQ hate rulers like Saddam.

Hitler hated Communism.

Politics makes strange bed fellows.

Which, let me say once again, is NOT evidence that there WAS collusion. Merely that it was not impossible on ideological grounds.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by lord of the mark Merely that it was not impossible on ideological grounds.

Try almost impossible then.

That crack about Hitler doesn't seem right - hating Stalinism, fair enough. Hating USSR, OK. But it's a bit of a leap to call your own party the National Socialists and then say Communism is a bad idea...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cruddy


Try almost impossible then.

That crack about Hitler doesn't seem right - hating Stalinism, fair enough. Hating USSR, OK. But it's a bit of a leap to call your own party the National Socialists and then say Communism is a bad idea...

Er, Hitler consistenly hated Communism.

Surely someone who is quick to call people stupid, realizes that there was nothing particularly "socialist" about the Nazi party. Its name was related to populist trends in the early 1920s party, not to Marxism or any genuine socialism. Those populist trends were destroyed by violence in 1935.

Can the Commnist part of Apolyton members here confirm for me that Hitler was firm anti-communist?

[lord of the mark]

and have you actually followed the 9/11 commision report. They say that in '94, AQ DID ask Iraq for assistance, but that Iraq did not respond.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

Can the Commnist part of Apolyton members here confirm for me that Hitler was firm anti-communist?

I don't see how that proves that an insurgent force would be friendly to a brutal dictator or vice versa.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
and have you actually followed the 9/11 commision report.

I have no interest in watching whitewash dry.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cruddy


I don't see how that proves that an insurgent force would be friendly to a brutal dictator or vice versa.

Er, AQ was deep in bed with Mullah Omar - was he not a brutal dictator? When has AQ ever had a problem with brutality?

Insurgents of all kinds have long cooperated with brutal dictators, as long as that brutal dictator was hostile to whatever regime the insurgents were trying to overthrow. Do you actually not realize that.