african american whaaaaa??????

[Al B. Sure!]

Black Americans and Black Africans have enough differences to make them distinct groups. In fact, Gambians and Senegalese have enough differences to make them distinct groups and they are right next to each other. Africans also divide themselves along tribal lines. You could be a Senegalese French Speaking member of the Wolof tribe or even a Gambian English Speaking member of the Wolof tribe. African Americans have indeed lost their heritage. We don't know where we came from. We don't know what foods our Ancestors ate. Their dances. History. NOTHING. African Americans are obviously different from European Americans. We are a seperate group due to the circumstances of our arrival. Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Jamaicans, Brazillians, and etc have a closer connection with their African heritage. Blacks in the U.S. have to search for their roots as if it were forbidden knowledge because in the past it was.

and therefore, African-American is the wrong term as it has connotations of a continued culture, while ignoring the effects of the diaspora.

There is some truth in your statement but you seem to feel that the way to make things better is to take away the nets.

nets? i do not see the net in pre-marital sex or drug use.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


There is a book titled, How the Irish Became White. Irish and Italians did not invent whiteness, as you so correctly point out. As far as me and my Italian cousins go, some still don't consider us "white." Part of Bunnygrrl's family thinks of Italians as fellow Blacks, and they aren't alone. Since I am a mutt, however, you cannot tell I'm of Mediterranian stock from appearances, so I can pass for white.

BTW, once my dad denied that the word "goy" really applied to Italians. Would seem to apply a fortiori to the word 'chegitz' which had even more waspy connotations than "goy" growing up. This of course was American folk usage, not proper Yiddish. Maybe you'll need to change your nick. Of course if youre only part Italian maybe you can pass for "goyish".

[Pax]

I don't see how the term African American ignores the effects of the diaspora. The only real connotation it has is to point that your roots lie somewhere on the continent of Africa and you are now in America. Similar to Irish American.

Liberal politics support programs such as abortion rights to give people more freedom and allow for cases where the Parents feel that they cannot support a child. The purpose is not to promote premarital sex.

Likewise, liberal protests of policies like the Rockefeller drug laws is not to encourage drug use but to administer the law in a fair and balanced way.

These ideals can work to america's benefit if they are implemented with a grand strategy that includes educated people on the effects of premarital sex and drug use while promoting education, providing job opportunities and daycare assistance for single working parents. It has to be a multifaceted strategy that takes all of the issues into consideration.

Pre-marital sex and drug use does not automatically lead to moral decay and teen pregnancy.
I.E. don't knock it until you try it!!!!

[Al B. Sure!]

Pax:

Pre-marital sex and drug use does not automatically lead to moral decay and teen pregnancy.
I.E. don't knock it until you try it!!!!

i can not describe the immense hatred i have for you right now after reading that. i pray that you were joking.

[Japher]

How abouyt keeping the liberal agendas and adding education and jobs to help minorities integrate into society and give them more things to do than make babies. That's just one suggestion.

I don't know what country you live in but those types of things already exist. Sad thing is, education and jobs don't come to you, you have to go to them, treat them with respect, and actually work!

Holy crap!

That's the problem with liberal agendas is that they want to put in these programs that help, but many who use them take advantage of them.

Liberal politics support programs such as abortion rights to give people more freedom and allow for cases where the Parents feel that they cannot support a child. The purpose is not to promote premarital sex.

I hate planned parenthood and similar organizations. They do not do anything to educate the ppl about preventing pregnancy, they are only there to take the child from another child when they make a "mistake". Sorry, but you say liberal politics is there to help out people and give them a chance? How can they do that when they treat children as mistakes?!

These ideals can work to america's benefit if they are implemented with a grand strategy that includes educated people on the effects of premarital sex and drug use while promoting education, providing job opportunities and daycare assistance for single working parents.

I am all in favor having these programs, as long as they are at the expense of the ones that DO already exist, because the ones that are there (developed by the liberals) are nothing but a wheelchair when all you need is a crutch. It's great to have such ideas, Pax, but it's another to think it will work when many have already failed. So, good luck convincing me and others like me that all we need are a few more programs and another billion dollars and we can help the world, because that just isn't the case. People need to help themselves first.

[Pax]

I was semi-joking about the drug use. I was not joking about the pre-marital sex. Keep in mind that pre-marital sex is not the same thing as teenagers having sex. You have an incredible closed mind, narrow view and unreasonable expectations. The key to curbing most of what you see as societies ills lies not in taking away freedoms but in increasing knowledge levels so that people can make wiser choices.
Don't hate me when I want a better country just like you do. Only in my country people are free to choose not to have sex, do drugs, or an abortion and in your country freedom is outlawed and everyone must behave according to your views as to what is right or wrong.

[Japher]

Keep in mind that pre-marital sex is not the same thing as teenagers having sex. You have an incredible closed mind, narrow view and unreasonable expectations.

I can agree with that. I just call it responsible sex. My greatest irritation comes from those who are not able to accept the consequinces, or wouldn't be able to handle them, taking the risks.

The key to curbing most of what you see as societies ills lies not in taking away freedoms but in increasing knowledge levels so that people can make wiser choices

Agreed.

Don't hate me when I want a better country just like you do. Only in my country people are free to choose not to have sex, do drugs, or an abortion and in your country freedom is outlawed and everyone must behave according to your views as to what is right or wrong.

The freedom to be irresponsible and place their burdon on society for their choices and their errors? I don't accept that. I am willing to HELP, but not to bare their load.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Pax

I think this is why I usually disagree with you. There is some truth in your statement but you seem to feel that the way to make things better is to take away the nets. How abouyt keeping the liberal agendas and adding education and jobs to help minorities integrate into society and give them more things to do than make babies. That's just one suggestion.

IIRC the "New Frontier" and the "Great Society" got about a 4 year trial before they were glibly labeled as failures. I worked for Total Action Against Proverty a couple of summers. We were given next to nothing to work with, and the section I worked in was administered by a preacher who hated everything the program was trying to accomplish. Evidently the idea that an organization could teach people to better their lives was to be considered to be some sort of satanic plot. That was my first encounter with the idea that "good works" were an abomination because they interfered with the acquisition of faith. I might point out also that sex and drugs were not originally part of the "liberal agenda". In my experience the liberal agenda didn't fail, it got overrun by libertarians (druggies and hippies) and sabotaged from within by phonies.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
That's the problem with liberal agendas is that they want to put in these programs that help, but many who use them take advantage of them.

I think you mean abuse. The programs would serve no purpose if no one took advanteage of them. So, because some people abuse the system, it should be abolished? Then everything should be abolished, because there is nothing that humans can't abuse.

I hate planned parenthood and similar organizations. They do not do anything to educate the ppl about preventing pregnancy, they are only there to take the child from another child when they make a "mistake".

Do you know anything about PP? The majority of what PP does is distribute inexpensive birth control and teach people how to use it. Family planning does not start or end at abortion.

[Pax]

Originally posted by Japher


I don't know what country you live in but those types of things already exist. Sad thing is, education and jobs don't come to you, you have to go to them, treat them with respect, and actually work!

Holy crap!

That's the problem with liberal agendas is that they want to put in these programs that help, but many who use them take advantage of them.



I hate planned parenthood and similar organizations. They do not do anything to educate the ppl about preventing pregnancy, they are only there to take the child from another child when they make a "mistake". Sorry, but you say liberal politics is there to help out people and give them a chance? How can they do that when they treat children as mistakes?!



I am all in favor having these programs, as long as they are at the expense of the ones that DO already exist, because the ones that are there (developed by the liberals) are nothing but a wheelchair when all you need is a crutch. It's great to have such ideas, Pax, but it's another to think it will work when many have already failed. So, good luck convincing me and others like me that all we need are a few more programs and another billion dollars and we can help the world, because that just isn't the case. People need to help themselves first.

I never said that we should throw money at the problem. However, if we did we should be willing to spend the same amount or more per year that we recently spent going to war in Iraq. After all, it is a real issue that has more effect on Americans than nonexistent WMD's. The best way to combat the issues of joblessness, teen pregnancy and etc is not just to attach dollars to the issue but to use the correct strategy. If your argument is that we already spent billions on the issue and it still is not fixed then I would suggest we evaluate our methods to see what we could do better. I would suggest we evaluate the people running the programs to see if we need people more attuned to the problem. For example, you would be an obvious wrong choice to head and implement job and planned parenthood programs while Che seems to be a much smarter choice.

I don't know what country you live in but in the U.S. whole industries are built around the idea of influencing people to do what you want them to do.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I think you mean abuse. The programs would serve no purpose if no one took advanteage of them. So, because some people abuse the system, it should be abolished? Then everything should be abolished, because there is nothing that humans can't abuse.

Do you know anything about PP? The majority of what PP does is distribute inexpensive birth control and teach people how to use it. Family planning does not start or end at abortion.

Oh good, I can start agreeing with you again.