Will there ever be another major war between European powers again?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
If Europe experiences a terroristic attack of similar or greater degree than the US, I think we will see civil war between Muslims and true Europeans. The majority of Muslims still think September 11th was justified.

You're a ****.

[alva]

The guys in the trenches should just have all gone home. Had they strung up the tiny number of imbeciles who put them there well and good.

They came close to it on a cold christmass night.
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He may be KH, but he I'm affraid he's right.

[KrazyHorse]

I was mostly referring to his phrase "true Europeans".

[Sandman]

How can there be a 'civil war' when Muslims make up 3% of the EUs population?

[KrazyHorse]

By "civil war" he means "pogrom". And I can see him leading the pack.

[The Viceroy]

I concede the point that a Democracy can lead to a dictatorship which then starts a war .. but Its amazing that nobody saw WW2 coming !! I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing.

What the hell are true europeans ?? and what do WHITE Europeans have to do with any future civil war with the European muslim population ?? Surely any such war would involve ALL Europeans, regardless of race.

[Solly]

Muslims are sneaking into our countries, and still supporting terrorism. That's why they are not true (western/civilised) Europeans.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
Muslims are sneaking into our countries

[Pekka]

Well let's put it this way... YES there will be a war in Europe between European nations. Maybe not in the next 40 years but it will happen sooner or later.. it is just how it goes. The only question is why it happens, between who and what are the results.

I predict Russia wants all the water and access that Scandinavia plus Finland has, but they are smart and pressure the Eastern European countries to pressure inside the core. That leads to heated discussion where few countries takes sides and then it goes into full blown scandals and stuff.

Then RUssia gets caught for its plan, but theyh didn't want war to happen, just win contracts from the pressure so they step out quietly and let us duke it out. It will be Scandinavia versus the rest of the Europe and Scandinavia wins 67-2.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by BeBro


Pre WWI Germany wasn't a democracy. Bismarck introduced certain social security measures, but that didn't turn a monarchy into a democracy. And the hint to constitution of the 20ies (Weimar Republic) is ok, but then it wasn't the Weimar Republic that started the war, it was Hitler's idea after he abolished everything democratic.....

it wasnt the social security measures that make some call Wilhelmine Germany a democracy, but the fact that a reichstag based on wide suffrage was the lawmaking body, and that govts usually had a majority in that body to govern. On the other hand there was the undemocratic Prussian state franchise, which impacted reich politics through Prussias role in the Landstag. And the considerable institutional independence of the Army, backed up by the demonstrated (pre-1871) ability of the Prussian army to function without voted funding from the reichstag.

This is NOT merely German historical arcana - this question is fundamental to the whole notion of "democratic peace" Opponents of that theory have noted that Woodrow Wilson called Germany a constitutional regime BEFORE WW1, and then called it undemocratic later - the implication being that democratic peace theorists adjust definitions to fit their theory. And its not a question of which side was the aggressor - democratic peace theory does NOT claim that democracies dont start wars, only that they dont start wars against other democracies (ergo the Pelopanisian War really isnt a counter example, in fact the ideological overtones of that war SUPPORT the theory). If Germany was not a democracy in 1914, than democratic peace theory holds - if it was, democratic peace theory has major problems, given the size and destructiveness of that war.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
The majority of Muslims still think September 11th was justified.

What fantastical dimension do you live in?

[alva]

He might be exagerating but I wouldn't call it a fantastical dimension.
At least 50% of muslims I talked too at work shortly after 9/11 were very avasive(sp?) about this very topic, and they are very moderated muslims.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


it wasnt the social security measures that make some call Wilhelmine Germany a democracy, but the fact that a reichstag based on wide suffrage was the lawmaking body, and that govts usually had a majority in that body to govern. On the other hand there was the undemocratic Prussian state franchise, which impacted reich politics through Prussias role in the Landstag. And the considerable institutional independence of the Army, backed up by the demonstrated (pre-1871) ability of the Prussian army to function without voted funding from the reichstag.

This is NOT merely German historical arcana - this question is fundamental to the whole notion of "democratic peace" Opponents of that theory have noted that Woodrow Wilson called Germany a constitutional regime BEFORE WW1, and then called it undemocratic later - the implication being that democratic peace theorists adjust definitions to fit their theory. And its not a question of which side was the aggressor - democratic peace theory does NOT claim that democracies dont start wars, only that they dont start wars against other democracies (ergo the Pelopanisian War really isnt a counter example, in fact the ideological overtones of that war SUPPORT the theory). If Germany was not a democracy in 1914, than democratic peace theory holds - if it was, democratic peace theory has major problems, given the size and destructiveness of that war.

Well, the Reichstag (parliament) was de facto the weakest element, the Bundesrat (federal parliament) and the emperor himself had much more influence - the emperor esp. in foreign policy and questions of war (most relevant for this topic), the Bundesrat in domestic policy. The Bundesrat however was dominated per constitution by Prussia, and much more important than the Reichstag esp. when it came to lawmaking. The chancelor - appointed by the emperor - was not only head of the government, he was also also leading automatically the Bundesrat. The reichstag could also be simply dissolved

It should also be noted that the elections to the Reichstag were done in a very modern way (as Andy-Man said), but those to the (much more important) Bundesrat took place in a kind of census system. This ensured that the old aristocratic elite kept its power, and strenghtened the monarchic elements. In my eyes, the Reich from 1871 was far away from being a modern democracy.

The Andy-Man:

As I wrote in response to LOTM, it is not only a question of the pure existance of a constitution or of modern elections when the elected body (Reichstag) doesn't have much power compared to those which are not elected at all, or not elected in the same modern way.

[Pax]

7 Years war/War of 1812.
England vs. U.S.

Major war will come about when enough people in a generation forget what it's like to have death on such a large scale. It's also likely that war will come about as the price of technology decreases to the point where the have nots in the 3rd world have weapons of a quality that may not be as good as the powerful countries but determination, disregard for human life, and a desire for a piece of the pie will take you a long way.

[OzzyKP]

I'm certain it will happen. I mean, we've had a peaceful Europe for what, a decade now? Big deal.

If you aren't gonna count the Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Croatia mess, then you've still got 40 some years of Cold War that just ended in 1990. It wasn't more than 15 years ago when everyone was holding their breath waiting for nuclear holocaust to happen. Even if the sides were smart enough to hold back their ICBMs, the battle field would have been Europe.

You can't shed thousands of years of destructive impulses for war in just 15 years. Get real.