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Che: I understand where you are coming from, but it does strain credulity to suggest that the NYT is carrying the conservatives' water.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891 -
I couldn't care less about the NYT. However it'd be a bit hypocritical to lambast the paper for facing up mistakes to perform a tactical 180° turn, while the Bush administration doesn't even bother to do any such thing.Originally posted by DanS
See, there you go. Colon is anticipating the new New York Times line.
Too bad it just ain't true.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Colon: Who was lambasting the paper for facing up to its mistakes? I think only che was. Rather, the paper was being criticized for criticizing Bush's actions when it was doing the same thing.
Your line and the assumed new line from the NYT are facile at best. Very slippery.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I'm laying it on a little thick to disprove a point. It's hardly the great liberal standard that it is claimed to be. As the paper of record, it's standards and integrity have gotten steadily worse.Originally posted by DanS
Che: I understand where you are coming from, but it does strain credulity to suggest that the NYT is carrying the conservatives' water.
On the other hand, I suppose we should be impressed at the amount of house lceaning that's been going on there. Whether it means the Times will get better remains to be seen.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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When people propagate something that isn't the truth... in my world, that's lying. For those of you that are parents, if your children acted the way the Bush admin and press did pre-War... you'd be scolding your children for lying.
I'm disturbed at the fact that people don't want to hold the media or the president accountable for the mistakes they made. How many more billions must be wasted? How many more young men and women have to die?
Shame on those making excuses. Shame.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Che: The NYT is only the left's paper of record. Precious few conservatives read it. The Wall Street Journal has a 60% higher circulation.
I think you would have to delve deep into the left's psyche for hints of self-destruction or self-abuse to make your theory work.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Hardly. The left has long considered the Times suspect. If you mean liberals, perhaps. It is other journalists, however, who consider the Times to be the PoR, also libraries, researchers, etc.Originally posted by DanS
Che: The NYT is only the left's paper of record.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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I DanSed you. The Wall Street Journal is the center-right's paper of record.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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WSJ is about as center as the Guardian...Originally posted by DanS
I DanSed you. The Wall Street Journal is the center-right's paper of record.
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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I like the Washington Post.
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You said you could look at it cynically, that they're coming clean to have a better position to criticize Bush. My point is that such cynicism is not at order because the Bush administration tends to perform 180° turns without the nominal decency to admit their previous course was wrong.Originally posted by DanS
Colon: Who was lambasting the paper for facing up to its mistakes? I think only che was. Rather, the paper was being criticized for criticizing Bush's actions when it was doing the same thing.
Your line and the assumed new line from the NYT are facile at best. Very slippery.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I like the Washington Post.
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Both the WashPost and NYT require registration. Therefore I hate them.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Even as a die-hard liberal, I don't care much for the Times. But reporting that was "insufficiently challenged" or "allowed to stand" is not the same as lying. It just makes the Times look worse than it already is."Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.Comment
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The Washington Post is good, but doesn't have enough breadth to be a paper of record. It's mostly Washington-centric.
And I'm saying that's just not so. Not on this subject.the Bush administration tends to perform 180° turns without the nominal decency to admit their previous course was wrongI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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