Canadian Election: It's On

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Then we'll put the ****ing Parliament buildings right in downtown Calgary.

Will that be okay?

No. I would not want Calgary besmirched by the slime that go to work in our Capital.

Ottawa is good. We have all located it on our dart boards.

[cinch]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi




They said that about Meech Lake, and the Charlottetown Accords. Same argument. It's bull. You already have your population representation in the Commons. Now, we need increased regional representation. A proper democracy balances both demands.

Right on.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


The anglo population of Quebec has declined by ~30% since 1970

Did 3 out of every 10 of your neighbours move away because of the NEP?

Yah, as a mater of fact a lot of them did after they lost their houses once their jobs were lost.

But I'm actually talking something more personal, not something that someone else experienced.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Newfoundland and Labrador 519.6
Prince Edward Island 137.8
Nova Scotia 936.0
New Brunswick 750.6
Quebec 7,487.2
Ontario 12,238.3
Manitoba 1,162.8
Saskatchewan 994.8
Alberta 3,153.7
British Columbia 4,146.6
Yukon 31.1
Northwest Territories 41.9
Nunavut 29.4

Total population of the 6 smallest provinces:

4.5 million

Total population of the other 4:

27 million

Brilliant!

Why are you talking about 6 now? It used to be all about 8.

Sorry, you could move 10 million to Alberta, we will never forget the inequalities that this Confederation has built in.

[KrazyHorse]

Right off. One man one vote. One man one vote. One man one vote.

PEI is already a "rotten borough". Giving 40% of the votes in an upper house to an area containing 10% of the population is so blatantly unfair that nothing like it will ever, ever pass. Nor should it.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Why are you talking about 6 now? It used to be all about 8.

Sorry, you could move 10 million to Alberta, we will never forget the inequalities that this Confederation has built in.

I never talked about 8. Only Westerners do.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Yah, as a mater of fact a lot of them did after they lost their houses once their jobs were lost.

But I'm actually talking something more personal, not something that someone else experienced.

Sure. How about the fact that Quebec's civil service contains under 2 dozen anglos?

Or the letter my father got from the OLF telling him that "Snap-On" wasn't an acceptable thing to have printed on the side of his truck?

How about waiting to see if you'd have to hit the 401 too in October 1995?

So don't give me some bull**** about being disenfranchised. Alberta's made and broken governments in recent history. There hasn't been an instance of Anglo Montreal doing the same inside Quebec in the last 50 years.

[KrazyHorse]

Oh, and speaking of disenfranchised, let's not forget that every province but one got a chance to amend and agree to the Constitution.

[cinch]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse So don't give me some bull**** about being disenfranchised. Alberta's made and broken governments in recent history. There hasn't been an instance of Anglo Montreal doing the same inside Quebec in the last 50 years.

Now, if Quebec had had a provincial (sorry, national) senate, then...

[KrazyHorse]

Then skewed regional representation in it would remain as undemocratic and antithetical to my principles as it is when it's proposed at a federal level.

[notyoueither]

It wasn't Montreal's water that Tredeau nationalised.

It wasn't the economy of Quebec that the GoC totalled in a fit of arrogance, and then refused to relent on even when the evidence of devastation was overwhelming.

It is the government of Canada that is under discussion, not the implications of electing seperatists provicially.

How about having the family business wiped out, and then having to move out of the family home because the GoC decided that a National Energy Program was a good thing?

Come to me when you can tell me of injustice inflicted by the feds, Krazy. I'd love to hear it. I will be a soul mate.

[KrazyHorse]

Man, the NEP lasted for 5 years. That's it. Alberta seeked and received redress on the issue in (relative to most movements of governments) a timely manner. Alberta then proceeded to have a huge share of the GoC for 3 consecutive terms.

I love how a 5 year period 24 years ago (which was corrected via the system we still have in place almost immediately upon the next election) is undeniable evidence of the unfairness of the system and the way that Alberta is marginalised.

Let it go. It died 19 years ago. The GoC changed almost in direct response to the West's protest at the excesses the Trudeau Liberals engaged in in the 1980s.

So for Alberta, at least the system worked

[KrazyHorse]

Oh, and by the way the mass movement of business out of Quebec which started in the mid seventies is a large part of the reason my father had to accept demotion in the late 80s. His job moved to Ottawa, but he wasn't willing to follow it dragging 3 kids and a wife along.

[notyoueither]

Oh, very droll. Good job. You don;t give a ****. Good. Hold that thought while a vote is held out here. I can assure you of one thing, there [would] not be more than one.

[KrazyHorse]

That fact saddled my parents with a mortgage they're still paying off (they owned their house in the clear until then).