For Conservatives, Mission Accomplished

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Safety Net - a draw - not going away, but no more than marginal expansions in the cards. Means testing gaining elite acceptance, even among liberals, but the politics dont work

Not a draw. Conservaties are winning here and liberals aren't fighting too hard to hold on.

Culture - conservatives lose. Gay rights, feminism, choice (which will undoubtedly survive a reversal of Roe v Wade) etc. On anything which doesnt relate directly or indirectly to economics (responsibility is good) theyve lost. Heck, even when they win (in 2004 terms) they lose (in 1964 terms) faith based solutions will include churches women ministers and priests are routine, charter schools include black power schools, etc.

Gay marriage may yet be stopped by a Constitutional Amendement. Schools are resegregating at an incredible rate, where they haven't already been completely resegregated. Black in the South face greater hurdles trying to vote than whites do, in some places having been completely disenfranchised again. And the faith based-stuff is noly going to churches allied with conservatives. It's like religious nepotism.

Face it, they're advancing on all fronts, mostly because liberals and moderates are asleep at the wheel.

[Q Classic]

well, the problem with the american political system is not that the liberals and moderates are asleep at the wheel--

it's that there's a dry rot that can only be purged by a complete demolition and reconstruction.

[Ramo]

The GOP is a remarkably ideologically incoherent party, where you have Christian fundies on one hand and staunch libertarians on the other hand; the Dems have much more in common ideologically. Witness, for example, when the AFL-CIO refused to endorse candidates who supported a constitutional amendment against gay marriage.

The difference, of course, is party discipline. The GOP (at least, with DeLay and co. at its head) doesn't tolerate dissent, while the Democrats are rife with it. After all, can anyone imagine a Republican Senator campaigning for Kerry (like Zell Miller has for Dear Leader)? One might say that a party with a rigid enforcement apparatus has more power, but I'll take my dissent any day.

[Ramo]

* chegitz guevara makes a list and checks it twice, then sends it off to some gun-toting anarchists.

Someone called?

[Bosh]

*helps Ramo break out the black flags*

[Imran Siddiqui]

After all, can anyone imagine a Republican Senator campaigning for Kerry (like Zell Miller has for Dear Leader)?

Well yes. Jim Jeffords' last party affiliation was Republican . Senators get a big pass compared to House members. You don't and CAN'T have a Delay or other House bosses (like Tip O'Neill) in the Senate.

[Ramo]

And Jim Jeffords ain't a Republican anymore. And Senators don't get a pass (see DeLay's attempt at booting out Specter).

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, but Jeffords' last party was the Republicans .

Senators don't get a pass (see DeLay's attempt at booting out Specter).

Because Delay has any impact on Specter besides backing another candidate. It'd be like saying Democrat Senators don't get a pass because Zell Miller backed a Republican over a Democrat in a specific race

[Ramo]

Yes, but Jeffords' last party was the Republicans .

And he's no longer welcome there.

Because Delay has any impact on Specter besides backing another candidate. It'd be like saying Democrat Senators don't get a pass because Zell Miller backed a Republican over a Democrat in a specific race

DeLay's a power broker, Miller certainly isn't.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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Imran -- never mind. I think I thought you were one of the Apolytoners who got disappointed with Kerry, and decided to go for a third party.

Only when the third parties decide to stop being run by a bunch of wackjobs and loonies .

Aren't all US parties being run by a bunch wackjobs and loonies?

[Imran Siddiqui]

DeLay's a power broker, Miller certainly isn't.

And? All that DeLay has power over is who he sends his money to. Aside from that he can say whatever he damn well pleases about Spector and it don't matter.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by St Leo
Aren't all US parties being run by a bunch wackjobs and loonies?

No, we aren't Canada .

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

If that what you meant by that silly acronym, then I would have understood what you meant had you just used the word, "opinion-editorial."

We apologize if you can't figure out socially accepted acronyms. Do people get in trouble asking you to respond RSVP as well?

"Respond RSVP" is redundant and, AFAIK, nowhere near as acceptable as "PIN Number", "RAM Memory", or "ABM Machine".

[mindseye]

Originally posted by St Leo

"Respond RSVP" is redundant and, AFAIK, nowhere near as acceptable as "PIN Number", "RAM Memory", or "ABM Machine".

Do you mean ABM Missile?

[St Leo]

Originally posted by mindseye
Do you mean ABM Missile?

STFU up, or I'll FUBAR you up beyond all recognition!