what's with all the Reagan Avatars?

[Agathon]

Lincoln was one of the greatest leaders of any nation in history. That's why he's in Civ III.

More to the point, he was one of the greatest moral leaders in history. Putting Reagan anywhere near him is simply disgusting.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Agathon
Lincoln was one of the greatest leaders of any nation in history. That's why he's in Civ III.

More to the point, he was one of the greatest moral leaders in history. Putting Reagan anywhere near him is simply disgusting.

Oh lord -- please don't tell that you automatically presume someone was a great leader because comptuer game designers thought it would be "cool" to have him/her in the game???



And as for moralization -- President Lincoln had more pragmatic reasons for enacting the Emancipation Proclamation than for moral reasons. And how about them Copperheads? Not all of the Copperheads were traitors -- many of them were loyal opposition.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Agathon
More to the point, he was one of the greatest moral leaders in history.

If using the Constitution as toilet paper is the way to be "one of the greatest moral leaders in history," the competition must not be that fierce.

[Agathon]

Eh? I suppose you think that Michael Jackson would make a better leader for the Americans in Civ III. (Modder alert).

So if someone put Lincoln in a book called "Great Leaders of History" that wouldn't strike you as a reason to think that he might be?

I can't see how any reasonable person could deny that Lincoln was a great leader. Next thing you'll be saying Napoleon was a terrible general.

[MrFun]

Using the Constitution as toilet paper -- now there's a fallacious distortion of a president's dilemma in the midst of a civil war.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Agathon
Eh? I suppose you think that Michael Jackson would make a better leader for the Americans in Civ III. (Modder alert).

So if someone put Lincoln in a book called "Great Leaders of History" that wouldn't strike you as a reason to think that he might be?

I can't see how any reasonable person could deny that Lincoln was a great leader. Next thing you'll be saying Napoleon was a terrible general.

President Lincoln was a great leader in my book -- but not to the point of heroification or glorification. Hell, if you glorified any historical public figure, you distort his image just as you would distort his image by doing the opposite -- villifying him to no end.

President Lincoln had his own flaws and he made his own mistakes.

[Agathon]

If not people like Lincoln, who are we supposed to heroize?

[MrFun]

How can you heroify a historical figure and still be objective, when the very concept of heroification is subjective?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Wow... Mr Fun is making incredibly good sense... I must need another beer .

[MrFun]

@ Imran

[Imran Siddiqui]

Laugh WITH me, dammit!

[MrFun]

hey -- when I use the "@" I usually do mean "with"



so it's all good

[Imran Siddiqui]

so it's all good

Thanks for accepting my Reagan avatar then (it's all good, right?)

[MrFun]

Let's not rehash the traumatic ambush I suffered last night.

[Imran Siddiqui]