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  • #46
    I must admit I never quite understood why our capitalists and libertarians find morally agreeable so many things from private interests, that they'll never accept from the State.


    Because they are fundamentally different. Put it to you this way, do you think that people should have the right to enter your home at any time they wish to hang out with you and put up GW Bush posters? It's the same thing with private companies not wishing to allow people they don't agree with to do things under their own label.

    The state isn't allowed to express a preference on who it likes and doesn't like. The person is. It is what you get when living in a liberal society (ie, individual liberty of some sort).
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      I must admit I never quite understood why our capitalists and libertarians find morally agreeable so many things from private interests, that they'll never accept from the State.


      Because they are fundamentally different. Put it to you this way, do you think that people should have the right to enter your home at any time they wish to hang out with you and put up GW Bush posters? It's the same thing with private companies not wishing to allow people they don't agree with to do things under their own label.

      The state isn't allowed to express a preference on who it likes and doesn't like. The person is. It is what you get when living in a liberal society (ie, individual liberty of some sort).
      What bothers me is that Jeb Bush is threatening to cancel Disney's tax breaks in Florida because of this. Disney can do what it wants... sure... but what is wrong is what Jeb is doing.
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #48
        Disney can do what it wants... sure... but what is wrong is what Jeb is doing.


        Hell must be freezing over. I agree with your 100%, Sava .
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #49
          But... I thought you wanted to end Corporate Welfare???

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          • #50
            Originally posted by JohnT
            But... I thought you wanted to end Corporate Welfare???
            subsidies are different from tax breaks (I think you are talking to me, right? )
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #51
              Yet net effect is the same.
              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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              • #52
                The corporation is not a person.
                urgh.NSFW

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Sava
                  subsidies are different from tax breaks (I think you are talking to me, right? )
                  Just like "those aren't taxes, those are user fees" - right?

                  Cash in your pocket, or cash not out of your pocket that otherwise would be, all adds up the same no matter what label you put on it.

                  Unless you work for Andersen.

                  And no, I'm not talking to you.
                  When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Azazel
                    The corporation is not a person.
                    Legally, it is - it has distinct existence and ownership of assets and liabilities, and other legal powers (to sue or be sued, to enter into contracts) which are distinct and separate from any individual shareholder or employee.
                    When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Azazel
                      The corporation is not a person.
                      And so ends the debate regarding the shizoid behavior of corporations.

                      IIRC we had a thread not too long ago talking 'bout the immoral psychopathic personality disorder of corporations and that corps were held as individuals under the eyes of the law.
                      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                      “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                      • #56

                        Legally, it is - it has distinct existence and ownership of assets and liabilities, and other legal powers (to sue or be sued, to enter into contracts) which are distinct and separate from any individual shareholder or employee.

                        It isn't fully a person, Michael. unless you can own stock in people.
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #57
                          MTG - will you stop x-posting with me.
                          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                          • #58
                            It isn't fully a person, Michael.


                            But it legally is, and that is all that counts .
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Azazel

                              Legally, it is - it has distinct existence and ownership of assets and liabilities, and other legal powers (to sue or be sued, to enter into contracts) which are distinct and separate from any individual shareholder or employee.

                              It isn't fully a person, Michael. unless you can own stock in people.
                              It isn't fully a person, but it is one for many legal purposes, and is recognized as such.

                              And yes, we used to be able to own stock in people, but that kinda went by the wayside a few decades back.
                              When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


                                Just like "those aren't taxes, those are user fees" - right?

                                Cash in your pocket, or cash not out of your pocket that otherwise would be, all adds up the same no matter what label you put on it.

                                Unless you work for Andersen.

                                And no, I'm not talking to you.
                                that may very be the case, but still, in principle, giving tax payer money to corporations is different from taxing them less. Tax breaks, IMO, are a legitimate tool that the government can use to reward businesses... like say, for keeping jobs in America.

                                But that's beside the point. The point is, Disney is basically being extorted by Jeb Bush. And I have a problem with that. Even if it were Rush Limbaugh's movie we were referring to, I'd have a problem with it.

                                But as a MM fan, I'm not concerned all that much. That movie is going to make a lot of money and someone will step up and distribute it.
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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