Republicans

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


You mean the party that nominated by an overwhelming margin a guy who voted for NAFTA and has openly criticized protectionists? Yeah, there's a good argument.

That's certainly not Kerry. So which party are you talking about?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MRT144
why even bother voting japher? i mean you dont support most if even half of what bush does and you are in a state that wont vote for bush?

Because in everything Bush does wrong, Kerry is as bad or worse (IMO).

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I'm rather schocked Berz would fall into the same logical fallacy of the False Dichotomy.

What false dichotomy? There isn't any viable candidate except Bush or Kerry.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Kucinich


Because in everything Bush does wrong, Kerry is as bad or worse (IMO).

despite no evidence that is true... id rather give kerry a chance than know that bush will keep on doing the same **** he has been.

i have no problem with you voting for who you want. i do have a problem of you voting for someone who lies to you and you justify it.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
That's certainly not Kerry. So which party are you talking about?

Um, Kerry voted for NAFTA. And he criticised both Dean and Edwards for being too protectionist. See how that works?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MRT144


despite no evidence that is true... id rather give kerry a chance than know that bush will keep on doing the same **** he has been.

i have no problem with you voting for who you want. i do have a problem of you voting for someone who lies to you and you justify it.

I'm talking about policy. It's rather difficult to lie about that (at least in a way that actually convinces anyone).

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Kucinich
What false dichotomy? There isn't any viable candidate except Bush or Kerry.

Nothing in the quote says Wilson is addressing an election issue or comparing the GOP to Democrats. He was just addressing the weaknesses of the Republican Party. That Berz would make that error is doubly ironic, since he's a Libertarian. For all we know, so is Wilson.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
And he criticised both Dean and Edwards for being too protectionist.

Did he now?

Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry said Monday the White House should not have scrapped steep tariffs on foreign-made steel last year..

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw95696_20040405.htm

[Kuciwalker]

The Liberarians aren't one either, because they are far too extreme.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Did he now?

Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry said Monday the White House should not have scrapped steep tariffs on foreign-made steel last year..

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/...6_20040405.htm

Irrelevant. I never said he wasn't protectionist to some degree, only that he was less protectionist than the Democrats he beat out for the nomination. So clearly economic protectionism isn't the candidate-making issue for the Dems you portrayed it to be.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Kucinich
The Liberarians aren't one either, because they are far too extreme.

Damned extreme librarians.

That still isn't the point. Wilson is, again, confining himself to chastising the Republicans. Whining about "Well, the Dems..." etc. is the equivalent to people today excusing Bush's inadequacies by saying, "Well, Clinton did this and that..."

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
So clearly economic protectionism isn't the candidate-making issue for the Dems you portrayed it to be.

Of course not.

"We're going to shut down any incentive, any reward or any kind of benefit for any Benedict Arnold company or CEO that takes American jobs overseas and sticks the American people with the bill." - Kerry on outsourcing

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
"We're going to shut down any incentive, any reward or any kind of benefit for any Benedict Arnold company or CEO that takes American jobs overseas and sticks the American people with the bill." - Kerry on outsourcing

I may miss something with the Benedict Arnold reference (which I don't know), but I fail to see what is wrong with suppressing incentives to outsource

[Arrian]

Ben Arnold = famous traitor. Switched sides on us during the Revolutionary War.

-Arrian

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I may miss something with the Benedict Arnold reference (which I don't know), but I fail to see what is wrong with suppressing incentives to outsource

Precisely. Removing incentives (i.e. corporate subsidies) for U.S. companies to truck jobs overseas isn't protectionism, it's just common sense. He's not calling for a prohibition on it, after all.