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  • 52 former diplomats bash Blair in public letter.

    I couldn't find a thread on this.

    When so many prominent former diplomats do something like this you have to wonder. IMHO they are spot on - one would have to be deaf dumb and blind not to see that they have a point.

    And before someone starts calling British diplomats commies (or even liberals) please take a moment for a reality check.

    Anyway, discuss.....

    Doomed to failure in the Middle East

    A letter from 52 former senior British diplomats to Tony Blair

    Tuesday April 27, 2004
    The Guardian

    Dear Prime Minister,

    We the undersigned former British ambassadors, high commissioners, governors and senior international officials, including some who have long experience of the Middle East and others whose experience is elsewhere, have watched with deepening concern the policies which you have followed on the Arab-Israel problem and Iraq, in close cooperation with the United States. Following the press conference in Washington at which you and President Bush restated these policies, we feel the time has come to make our anxieties public, in the hope that they will be addressed in parliament and will lead to a fundamental reassessment.

    The decision by the US, the EU, Russia and the UN to launch a "road map" for the settlement of the Israel/Palestine conflict raised hopes that the major powers would at last make a determined and collective effort to resolve a problem which, more than any other, has for decades poisoned relations between the west and the Islamic and Arab worlds. The legal and political principles on which such a settlement would be based were well established: President Clinton had grappled with the problem during his presidency; the ingredients needed for a settlement were well understood and informal agreements on several of them had already been achieved. But the hopes were ill-founded. Nothing effective has been done either to move the negotiations forward or to curb the violence. Britain and the other sponsors of the road map merely waited on American leadership, but waited in vain.

    Worse was to come. After all those wasted months, the international community has now been confronted with the announcement by Ariel Sharon and President Bush of new policies which are one-sided and illegal and which will cost yet more Israeli and Palestinian blood. Our dismay at this backward step is heightened by the fact that you yourself seem to have endorsed it, abandoning the principles which for nearly four decades have guided international efforts to restore peace in the Holy Land and which have been the basis for such successes as those efforts have produced.

    This abandonment of principle comes at a time when rightly or wrongly we are portrayed throughout the Arab and Muslim world as partners in an illegal and brutal occupation in Iraq.

    The conduct of the war in Iraq has made it clear that there was no effective plan for the post-Saddam settlement. All those with experience of the area predicted that the occupation of Iraq by the coalition forces would meet serious and stubborn resistance, as has proved to be the case. To describe the resistance as led by terrorists, fanatics and foreigners is neither convincing nor helpful. Policy must take account of the nature and history of Iraq, the most complex country in the region. However much Iraqis may yearn for a democratic society, the belief that one could now be created by the coalition is naive. This is the view of virtually all independent specialists on the region, both in Britain and in America. We are glad to note that you and the president have welcomed the proposals outlined by Lakhdar Brahimi. We must be ready to provide what support he requests, and to give authority to the UN to work with the Iraqis themselves, including those who are now actively resisting the occupation, to clear up the mess.

    The military actions of the coalition forces must be guided by political objectives and by the requirements of the Iraq theatre itself, not by criteria remote from them. It is not good enough to say that the use of force is a matter for local commanders. Heavy weapons unsuited to the task in hand, inflammatory language, the current confrontations in Najaf and Falluja, all these have built up rather than isolated the opposition. The Iraqis killed by coalition forces probably total 10-15,000 (it is a disgrace that the coalition forces themselves appear to have no estimate), and the number killed in the last month in Falluja alone is apparently several hundred including many civilian men, women and children. Phrases such as "We mourn each loss of life. We salute them, and their families for their bravery and their sacrifice," apparently referring only to those who have died on the coalition side, are not well judged to moderate the passions these killings arouse.

    We share your view that the British government has an interest in working as closely as possible with the US on both these related issues, and in exerting real influence as a loyal ally. We believe that the need for such influence is now a matter of the highest urgency. If that is unacceptable or unwelcome there is no case for supporting policies which are doomed to failure.

    Yours faithfully,

    Sir Graham Boyce (ambassador to Egypt 1999-2001); Sir Terence Clark (ambassador to Iraq 1985-89); Francis Cornish (ambassador to Israel 1998-2001); Sir James Craig (ambassador to Saudi Arabia 1979-84); Ivor Lucas (ambassador to Syria 1982-84); Richard Muir (ambassador to Kuwait 1999-2002); Sir Crispin Tickell (British permanent representative to the UN 1987-90); Sir Harold (Hooky) Walker (ambassador to Iraq 1990-91), and 44 others
    Only feebs vote.

  • #2
    DAMN COMMIES!!


    just joking agathon.

    I actually agree with you about this.
    Lysistrata: It comes down to this: Only we women can save Greece.
    Kalonike: Only we women? Poor Greece!

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    • #3
      Tough to disagree.
      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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      • #4
        Don't worry, I'm sure someone here soon will...
        ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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        • #5
          I disagree.
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          Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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          • #6
            What can I say? It's a good letter.

            Old Europe/French Union needs to learn how to speak up like this without being dumbasses.
            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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            • #7
              Serious disagreers only, please!!!!


              I can't ever remember anything like this - from any diplomats, let alone the craven tory cretins who populate the British Foreign Service. Reports are that this represents the opinion of most currently in the Foreign Office.

              Have to say this gives me a boost of confidence in the public service. These people devoted their lives to the public good and this makes me feel that some people still have integrity. How many more of the establishment have to speak up before this unhinged policy is finished with?
              Only feebs vote.

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              • #8
                You're still a commie though
                We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ted Striker
                  What can I say? It's a good letter.
                  I think this is the first issue not involving lechery that we've ever agreed on.

                  A pig just flew past my house.


                  Yes, it is a fantastic letter.

                  edit: the "serious disagreers" thing was aimed at Tass.
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #10
                    The Fatherland is at war. But those bastards can't find anything better to do than writing public letters.
                    Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                    • #11
                      Francis Cornish is a ****ing ****...
                      KH FOR OWNER!
                      ASHER FOR CEO!!
                      GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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                      • #12
                        It's the first time that this has happened since Suez.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Vagabond
                          The Fatherland is at war. But those bastards can't find anything better to do than writing public letters.
                          I thought the war ended more then a year ago, it's peace now..can't you see the difference?
                          Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                          Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                          • #14
                            You would find similar sentiments in the US State Department.

                            The real source of sadness and anger is it was normally the role of close allies like Britain to tell the USA when they were going too far and why. But Tony Blair, like Bush a man with little or no international experience and a "conviction" politician, did nothing but support and encourage Bush against the advice of his own regional experts.

                            Thus we have these reckless Bush/Blair Middle East policies and the results are plain for all to see.
                            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                            • #15
                              Conviction politicians are the people who make the world go around, AH. About half of our presidents have been conviction politicians in the post-war era (Truman, Kennedy, Carter, Reagan, and Bush 43). I think we've been led tolerably well on the whole.
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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