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  • #46
    Originally posted by Serb
    Yeah, right. It were Captain America and private Ryan who raised star@stripes banner over Reichstag.
    I'm sorry, I'm not that old to have read that in the comics. (and the Red Skull got away anyway...)

    Originally posted by Serb
    Yeah, right. It were English who destroyed 600 000 Napoleon's Grand army in Russian steppes in 1812-1813.
    Well, the Russians themselves did little. They let the Grand Army walk right into Moscow. It was Mother Russia itself (and the Russian winter) that defeated his Russian campaign. You did let him get away to do more damage elsewhere. The English were the ones who truly finished him.

    Originally posted by Serb
    Slavs were major troublemakers for them.
    For them?

    Originally posted by Serb
    I see, in America a non-agression pact = alliance.
    Sure, what the difference. US of A is not famous for their respect to international laws, so why you should care about the difference between non-agression pact and alliance?
    We've been trying to tell the North Koreans for years that there is no such thing as a non-aggression pact (they must be playing too much Civ ). Either you were allied to Hitler or you were not. In 1939 you were allies (you even divided Poland between you)

    Originally posted by Serb
    Then every US achievments (democracy blah...balh...blah... McDonalds... Coca-Cola and Brithney Spears of course), in fact belongs to Indians, since you guys occupy their lands.
    They can have Britney.

    Originally posted by Serb
    Blah... blah... blah... Since collapse of USSR (within 13 years), USA attacked:
    Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq (twice). Hmm... Did I miss something? Not bad for a peacefull, non-imperialist country.
    Hardly imperialist. We are not intending to permanently occupy anything (like Poland in 1939 ).

    Originally posted by Serb

    If you need me, just whistle (post something like "Russia...blah...blah...blah..." or "US is the last hope of mankind...blah...blah...blah...")
    "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Serb
      I prefer Otto von Bismarck (that was the cool oldman) words about Russia- "Russia is never as strong as it looks. It's never as weak as it looks either".


      Originally posted by Serb
      The land of unbeatable ass-kickers, of course.
      What the hell they teach in their schools nowadays?
      My eyes are tired. Is that an "L" or a "K" at the beginning of the word following ass?

      Originally posted by Serb
      Perhaps because westerners are just a bunch self-loving and self-praising d*cks?
      I'm sure everyone will come around eventually.

      Originally posted by Serb
      The Time, about American invasion to Russia:
      What's the date on that issue? I'd like to keep my calendar open. Can we fit that invasion between giving Britney back to the Indians and lunch?
      "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
      "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
      2004 Presidential Candidate
      2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Vince278


        I'm sorry, I'm not that old to have read that in the comics.
        I see.
        (and the Red Skull got away anyway...)
        Good. I liked this freak.

        Well, the Russians themselves did little. They let the Grand Army walk right into Moscow. It was Mother Russia itself (and the Russian winter) that defeated his Russian campaign...
        Yeah, right Kutuzov absolutely f*cked up Napoleon. As strategist he was above Napoleon, as tactician Napoleon was unmatched. But who cares? Napoleon won battles, Kutuzon won the war. Napoleon wasn't ready for that kind of warfare he faced in Russia. Aside Russians, French logistic was awful. After Borodino Russians evaquated their wounded, because Kutuzov prepared 15 000 carts and horses before the battle. Napoleon, just left his wounded.
        French non-combat losses started from first days of invasion (in the middle of summer), so don't bring this "Russian winter" crap (like Russians were fighting in different conditions).
        ...You did let him get away to do more damage elsewhere. The English were the ones who truly finished him.
        Ha. You must be joking, right?
        Only less than 5 000 troops of his Grand Army, out of 600 000, returned from Russia. How the hell he could inflict more damage elsewhere after SUCH defeat?

        For them?
        For MONGOLS, Goddamnit.
        We've been trying to tell the North Koreans for years that there is no such thing as a non-aggression pact (they must be playing too much Civ ). Either you were allied to Hitler or you were not. In 1939 you were allies (you even divided Poland between you)
        Divided? We returned what Poles stole from us in 20's.
        With the same success, I can say that US were allied with Taliban and Saddam.

        They can have Britney.
        Oh, this is so generous, so American.
        First you took poor girl's virginity, then say - "hey folks, you can have that b!tch".

        Hardly imperialist. We are not intending to permanently occupy anything (like Poland in 1939 ).
        Big difference, It's called neo-imperialism. You can be imperialist, even if your colonies are de-juro independent (besides, you occupy half of North American continent, which belong to natives, whom you exterminated. So you are imperialist by definition.)
        Last edited by Serb; April 26, 2004, 00:47.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
          I'm concerned about you. You've never been like this before....perhaps you are not yourself? For the good of the party you must go see a.....doctor in Siberia.
          Off with you!
          Noooooooo....
          {Vince is now unavailable for comment. He has been sent to a lumbermill in Siberia where Serb is probably beating him red, white, and blue (ironically both our national colours) with lumber of varying sizes. }
          "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
          "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
          2004 Presidential Candidate
          2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Vince278


            This guy knew what he was talking about, for sure. He was an ambassador in Russia for a while, after all.

            My eyes are tired. Is that an "L" or a "K" at the beginning of the word following ass?


            It's a "K".

            Had it would be an "L", than it would be a word for "Poland" or "Tonny Blair", perhaps.

            I'm sure everyone will come around eventually.
            Why wait? I've said "westerners", not "europeans". As for me, US belongs to westerners, so...

            What's the date on that issue? I'd like to keep my calendar open.
            I have no idea. Is FOX already planting stories about: Russians commiting genocide towards penguins or something; Putin himself eating babies; Russian mad scientists working on Death Star project, intending to destroy America?

            Can we fit that invasion between giving Britney back to the Indians and lunch?
            Absolutely.
            Just how much time your soldiers need to run with tails between their legs when they face a real resistance? Five minutes?
            Last edited by Serb; April 25, 2004, 04:53.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Vince278


              Noooooooo....
              {Vince is now unavailable for comment. He has been sent to a lumbermill in Siberia where Serb is probably beating him red, white, and blue (ironically both our national colours) with lumber of varying sizes. }
              Beating an Amrican who spent some time with lumber. I'm not sure. Considering how Yanks can use lumber for training (Rocky-4). I'm

              p.s. It's really ironic that so many countries that were pretty powerfull during their history had the same national colors. Russia, USA, UK, France, Netherlands (did I miss something?) all have red, blue, and white colors. Is that some kind of mystic?
              Last edited by Serb; April 25, 2004, 04:54.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Serb
                (did I miss something?)
                Sure I did.
                How can I forget about Serbia and...
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Serb


                  The land of unbeatable ass-kickers, of course.
                  What the hell they teach in their schools nowadays?
                  It means:


                  "We're so crappy, we had to take our name from a bunch of dumbass vikings. Grrrrr!"


                  Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                  • #54
                    Forgive me if this has already been said Uber but who the hell told you that Russia has either Democracy or Capitalism?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                    • #55
                      [Serb]
                      The night ends, and the sun rises in the sky, thanks to the Party.
                      meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Serb

                        Yeah, right. It were Captain America and private Ryan who raised star@stripes banner over Reichstag.
                        In all fairness, it would have been very easy for the western allies to hang the Russkis out to dry.

                        Yeah, right. It were English who destroyed 600 000 Napoleon's Grand army in Russian steppes in 1812-1813.
                        Just to clarify...you want congradulations for defeating the French?

                        Slavs were major troublemakers for them.
                        They were speedbumps. The Persians and the Caliphate were troublemakers.

                        I see, in America a non-agression pact = alliance.
                        Sure, what the difference. US of A is not famous for their respect to international laws, so why you should care about the difference between non-agression pact and alliance?
                        Because we're at least better at this sort of thinkg than a certain country that ends in "-ussia".

                        Then every US achievments (democracy blah...balh...blah... McDonalds
                        We've issued public apologies on McDonalds on several occasions.
                        ... Coca-Cola and Brithney Spears of course), in fact belongs to Indians, since you guys occupy their lands.
                        As opposed to all the native lands you occupy? Most promiently, a country that ends with "-nya")

                        Besdies, we got da bombs first, we invented the 'net, modern computing, assembly line techniques, widespread repeating rifles, smart bombs, and the ability to produce more food than any other country in the world.

                        Russia: Stomped the Germans on the Eastern Front (Good on them), took the early lead in space (good on them) and now they're....what? Russia is ****e now, that's what! Get your act togather for goodness sake!

                        Blah... blah... blah... Since collapse of USSR (within 13 years), USA attacked:
                        Serbia,
                        With the support of all of Europe. Except for Greece, but we don't care about Greece.

                        Afghanistan,
                        They had it coming, by God.

                        Iraq (twice).
                        First time the Soviet Union gave it's blessing, the second time, well, we have enough countries on board to call it a coalition. (thank God for the Marshall Islands! )

                        Hmm... Did I miss something? Not bad for a peacefull, non-imperialist country.
                        Hey, we're par for course. Especially compared to certain other countries.



                        If you need me, just whistle (post something like "Russia...blah...blah...blah..." or "US is the last hope of mankind...blah...blah...blah...")
                        Didn't a post a thread awhile back with Russia in the title, and then in the OP:

                        "Or: Serb! Over here!" ?
                        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


                          Actually, -оссия

                          /me inclines head.

                          Thank you for the correction.
                          Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Lonestar
                            Because we're at least better at this sort of thinkg than a certain country that ends in "-ussia".
                            "Americans" and "thinking" is a contradiction of terms.
                            It is only totalitarian governments that suppress facts. In this country we simply take a democratic decision not to publish them. - Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister

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                            • #59
                              We evil westerners have learnt one thing wrt Russia, however. Next time we aint gonna invade them - just nuke them flat, and make irridiscent McD toys of the remains!
                              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Last Conformist
                                We evil westerners have learnt one thing wrt Russia, however. Next time we aint gonna invade them - just nuke them flat, and make irridiscent McD toys of the remains!
                                1) it is already flat
                                2) who will make these McD toys?
                                It is only totalitarian governments that suppress facts. In this country we simply take a democratic decision not to publish them. - Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister

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