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  • #16
    Originally posted by ErikM

    He did, but Russia under Peter the Great was more like what is now called "an emerging power". Catherine to Alexander I was a golden age of the Russian empire. From then on until the October revolution it was mostly downhill
    Sure, but Peter the Great, mobilized the country and gave huge impulse for development. You can't waste such potential within short time. The same did another great dictator- Stalin. He gave such potential to Russia, that only Gorbachev and Yeltzin, after almost half of the century were able to waste it (though it is not completely wasted yet, even now, in 21st century).

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    • #17
      Russia
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      • #18
        Originally posted by JohnT
        No, for their influence spanned the globe for the first time in its history.
        Any third world country with an oversized military and more nukes than common sense would have alot of influence. But was their influence good for the world? No.

        America had enormous growing pains from 1776 to 1815 and after that there was the Civil War. We, like the Russians, had issues while growing up. I realize modern nations are more complex but if Russia hangs in there and stays the course they too will prevail just like we did.
        "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
        "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
        2004 Presidential Candidate
        2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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        • #19
          Give us your lands and we will for sure.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Vince278
            But was their influence good for the world? No.
            Sure it was. Who the hell do you think defeated Hitler, Napoleon and Mongols ( OMG, THE MONGOLS)?
            US Marines?
            Who do you think launched first spaceman?
            Harry Potter?
            Who do you think suppressed American imperialism for almost half of the century?
            Jaguar warriors of Tumba-Yumba's tribe?

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            • #21
              "Upper Volta with rockets"

              -German Chancellor Willy Brandt on Russia.
              "Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
              "...Mangy dog staggering about, looking vainly for a place to die."
              "sauna stories? There are no 'sauna stories'.. I mean.. sauna is sauna. You do by the laws of sauna." -P.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Seeker
                "Upper Volta with rockets"

                -German Chancellor Willy Brandt on Russia.
                The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.

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                • #23
                  FYI, it was Margaret Teacher, who said this troll.
                  F*ck her. Old witch.
                  Btw Upper Volta now calls Burkina-Faso which means "the land of honest people".
                  Last edited by Serb; April 25, 2004, 01:11.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ErikM
                    He did, but Russia under Peter the Great was more like what is now called "an emerging power". Catherine to Alexander I was a golden age of the Russian empire. From then on until the October revolution it was mostly downhill
                    Peter the Great was the right leader at the right time for Russia but the west always seemed to have a low opinion of him. When he visited England he and his entourage were described as having more fleas and ticks than a horde of plague rats. Also, before leaving they trashed their accomodations like a group of rampaging frat brothers. He also did fall for the now imfamous Potempkin village.

                    I'd give a to Catherine. She was to Russia what Elizabeth I was to England. (Of course the west got carried away with rumours about her "appetites".)
                    "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                    2004 Presidential Candidate
                    2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                    • #25
                      Like west ever had any opinion about Russia except "low".

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                      • #26
                        Sure it was. Who the hell do you think defeated Hitler, Napoleon and Mongols ( OMG, THE MONGOLS)?
                        Guess which one is out of place!

                        Vodka, vodka, what the hell is so wrong with vodka?
                        Nothing, I was just joking

                        Serb, it's joke time!
                        Q: Do you think a Communist regime in the desert would be successful?





                        A: I don't know. Pretty soon they would have to deal with the sand shortages!
                        meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Serb
                          Who the hell do you think defeated Hitler, Napoleon and Mongols?
                          The US and allies (Hitler), English (Napoleon), and themselves by internal strife (Mongols). Lets not forget Russia allied with Hitler in 1939 (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact).

                          Originally posted by Serb
                          Who do you think launched first spaceman?
                          Khazakstan! (from Baikonar). The pilot, of course, was Russian.

                          Originally posted by Serb
                          Who do you think suppressed American imperialism for almost half of the century?
                          We did. We are not imperialist.

                          Wow. Haven't talked to you in months. I was wondering why my blood pressure went down.
                          "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                          "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                          2004 Presidential Candidate
                          2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Seeker
                            "Upper Volta with rockets"

                            -German Chancellor Willy Brandt on Russia.
                            "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                            "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                            2004 Presidential Candidate
                            2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Serb
                              Btw Upper Volta now calls Burkina-Faso which means "the land of honest people".
                              What does "Russia" mean?
                              "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                              "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                              2004 Presidential Candidate
                              2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Serb
                                Like west ever had any opinion about Russia except "low".
                                Wonder why.
                                "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                                "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                                2004 Presidential Candidate
                                2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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