Will the Bushies Ever Accept the Truth???

[GePap]

Originally posted by rah
Now, who is splitting hairs. Do you really believe that Saddam was doing this out of the kindness of his heart?

NO. But it does not count as a "bounty". which makes it seem as iF Saddam paid for suicide bombers.

Given that even with 25K most pals would not get a permit to rebuild a bulldozed home, I hardly think the money was much of an incitement above and beyond other factors.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap


And besides, now you are changing the arguement to one of UN sanctions-which brings a whole host of other problems.

That seems to be the entire crux of the matter. Was Iraq and Saddam pronounced to be in clear and material breach of UN resolution or not?

[GePap]

Yes- BUT:

Even if so, members are not authorized to be vigelantees and "enforce" the rules by themselves sans UNSC sanction. There are many states in violation of resolutions-their neighbors are not capable of using that as an excuse to attack anyone thought.

If a court rules you in violation of the law- it is still only officers of the court that can go an get you legally- no "citizen's arrest".

You can;t claim a war in order to enforce UN rules by doing it in a method that breeches UN rules.

[rah]

Originally posted by GePap
NO. But it does not count as a "bounty". which makes it seem as iF Saddam paid for suicide bombers.

Given that even with 25K most pals would not get a permit to rebuild a bulldozed home, I hardly think the money was much of an incitement above and beyond other factors.

Now you're fooling yourself. He was withholding medicine and other food stuffs from his own people for political gain. Do you really think his motive was to help these people after the fact? Don't insult me.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap
Yes- BUT:

Even if so, members are not authorized to be vigelantees and "enforce" the rules by themselves sans UNSC sanction. There are many states in violation of resolutions-their neighbors are not capable of using that as an excuse to attack anyone thought.

If a court rules you in violation of the law- it is still only officers of the court that can go an get you legally- no "citizen's arrest".

You can;t claim a war in order to enforce UN rules by doing it in a method that breeches UN rules.

Please do yourself a favor google the resolutions and see for yourself that material breach allowed member nations of the original gulf war actions to resume hositlities hence no UN breech.

[GePap]

Originally posted by rah


Now you're fooling yourself. He was withholding medicine and other food stuffs from his own people for political gain. Do you really think his motive was to help these people after the fact? Don't insult me.

NO, his reasons for doing it were self-serving to build up support from the general Arab public outside of Iraq.

His motives have 0 to do with the nature of the money he was giving though, so stop doging the point.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Please do yourself a favor google the resolutions and see for yourself that material breach allowed member nations of the original gulf war actions to resume hositlities hence no UN breech.

OH please. This again.



Sorry, but this is the same tired line Sloww always sells. I wonder why it isn't even a line the admin. or its allies oversea's try to sell?

Take it up with the lawyers for the UK who could not even justify the war on this ground.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Have you read them?

More to the point has any mtion been brought up before the UN to sanction the US (as this would be a clear indication of violation). And if so what was the decision?

[rah]

Originally posted by rah

GEPAP
You've dragged this one so far off the path, that I've forgotten the original point.


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