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  • Note the crickets chirping among the Democrats and the press -- that says it all about how well she did.
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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    • No news is good news. Which of course is bad new for the Dems.
      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

      “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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      • Oh...and about Clarke...

        Clarke book has errors about arrest of Ahmed Ressam

        By Mike Carter
        Seattle Times staff reporter

        The Terrorist Within: A closer look at Ahmed Ressam


        Was it "shaking trees" or shaking knees that led to the arrest of convicted millennium terrorist Ahmed Ressam?
        As former White House counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke tells it in his book "Against All Enemies," an international alert to be on the lookout for terrorists played a role in Ressam's capture at a Port Angeles ferry terminal in December 1999, his car loaded with bomb-making material.

        But national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice, in her testimony before the Sept. 11 commission last week, discounted Clarke's version and credited a savvy U.S. customs agent, Diana Dean.

        Dean stopped Ressam because "she sniffed something about Ressam. They saw that something was wrong" — not because of some security alert, Rice testified.

        The debate over Ressam's capture encapsulates the controversy between Clarke and the Bush administration over which president — Clinton or Bush — took the threat of al-Qaida more seriously, and whether either administration did enough before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

        Disputing Clarke's claim, Rice testified customs agents "weren't actually on alert."

        At least one of the agents who helped apprehend Ressam sides with Rice's version of events.

        Moreover, others involved in the Ressam case say Clarke's book contains factual errors and wrongly implies national-security officials knew of Ressam's plan to set a bomb at Los Angeles International Airport long before they actually did.

        "I've found the exchange over Ressam one of the more interesting aspects of this debate," said Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow in foreign-policy studies and homeland security at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. "This whole 'shaking-the-trees' concept has become fascinating," he said, referring to the notion that law enforcement was on the lookout for terrorists.

        Ressam's arrest came on President Clinton's watch. Early that month, Clarke wrote in his book, the United States had learned terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden were planning as many as 15 attacks on Americans worldwide as the millennium approached.

        Clarke, who worked for both Clinton and Bush, said he convened the Counter-terrorism Security Group, which he chaired, and sent out warnings both overseas and to local, state and federal law-enforcement agencies around the country to be on heightened alert for suspicious activity. "And then we waited," he wrote.




        "The break came in an unlikely location," Clarke wrote, describing Ressam's arrest by customs agents during a "routine screening."

        According to a former customs agent who was involved, Clarke's version, laid out in one chapter of his book, wrongly implies they were on "heightened alert" and somehow looking for terrorists.

        "No," was the terse reply of Michael Chapman, one of the customs agents who arrested Ressam, when asked if he was aware of a security alert.

        "We were on no more alert than we're always on. That is a matter of public record," said Chapman, now a Clallam County commissioner.

        A review of the trial testimony of Chapman, Dean and two other U.S. customs agents involved in the arrest turned up no reference to a security alert.

        Rather, it supports Chapman's assessment that agents thought Ressam was smuggling drugs when they opened the trunk of his rental car and found bags of white powder buried in the spare-tire well. Only after finding several plastic black boxes, containing watches wired to circuit boards, did anyone suspect a bomb.

        Dean has said repeatedly she singled Ressam out for a closer look because he was nervous, fumbling and sweating. Ressam has since told agents he was sick, and federal sources have confirmed Ressam had apparently gotten malaria while at terrorist-training camps in Afghanistan.

        Clarke's version of that night contains other errors. Some of them are minor. But one implies national-security officials knew more about Ressam's plans than they could have at the time:

        • Clarke wrote that Ressam bolted and left his car on the ferry. In fact, Ressam drove off the ferry and ran when he was stopped for inspection.

        • Clarke reported Dean ran after Ressam. Actually, two other agents gave chase.

        • More significantly, Clarke wrote that agents had found "explosives and a map of the Los Angeles International Airport" in the car, implying the threat to the airport was known almost immediately.

        There was no map in the car. A map of Greater Los Angeles was found days later in Ressam's apartment in Montreal. Nobody had a clue for nearly 11 months that Los Angeles was a target.

        Circles scrawled on the map around three L.A.-area airports weren't found until October 2000, after the document had been turned over to the FBI. It wasn't until Ressam began cooperating in May 2001 that his actual target was known for sure.

        In fact, in the weeks after Ressam's capture, officials in Seattle were so unsure about his actual target that then-Mayor Paul Schell canceled the city's popular New Year's Eve celebration at Seattle Center, thinking the Space Needle could be a target.

        • Clarke reported Canadians had somehow "missed" the existence of Ressam's cell of radical Algerian Muslims in Montreal and that, after Ressam's arrest, the Canadian government cooperated.

        According to testimony at Ressam's trial and interviews with Canadian intelligence officials, Ressam and the cell in Montreal had been under surveillance for at least two years before Ressam's arrest. But the Canadian Security Intelligence Service never told anyone.

        U.S. prosecutors have complained bitterly about Canada's foot-dragging as the Ressam case proceeded. Canadian prosecutors blocked U.S. access to at least one crucial witness — an Algerian who gave Ressam a gun and talked about blowing up Jews in Montreal.

        Indeed, the U.S. came within hours of dropping charges against Ressam on the eve of his March 2001 trial because the Canadian government attempted to withdraw the witnesses.

        King County Superior Court Judge Steven Gonzalez, who, in 2001, was one of three federal prosecutors who tried Ressam in Los Angeles, agreed some of Clarke's assertions "are not consistent with the evidence at trial."

        Martha Levin, a publicist at Free Press, the Simon & Schuster subsidiary that published "Against All Enemies," said Clarke had no comment about the errors. "Free Press makes it a policy not to discuss internal editorial processes," she said.

        Another Brookings scholar, Stephen Hess, a senior fellow on governmental studies and an authority on Washington and the media, said errors in memoirs are not unusual or particularly significant unless they affect the broader point or conclusion the author is drawing.

        "So it's hard to say what the significance of these errors are," Hess added. "Whether you agree with him or not, I don't think anybody has accused Dick Clarke of being sloppy."

        And Clarke's conclusion remains valid. Al-Qaida, he wrote, was here — and actively attempting to attack the United States.
        Poor Clarke. They're going to make him refund all his book money at this rate.
        No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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        • Originally posted by Dauphin
          Maybe I'm not following correctly.
          You'll have to figure that out for yourself when you read the links.

          As far as crickets chirping, the media takes its cue from Washington, and the Democrats tak their cue from the people around Kerry, and he's too cowardly to attack the Prez. So it's unlikely we're gonna see anything made about Rice's "misstatements of fact." She performed well, and since the tv likes form over substance, that's all she wrote.
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          • Was the book ghost written by Jason Blair?
            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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            • Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
              Was the book ghost written by Jason Blair?
              Which one, Rice's answers to the Commission? Must have been considering everything she made up.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • Rice has a book out? Cool finally the truth.
                "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                • What I find pathetic is that 4 bullet point mistakes on one incident are found-and of course, it means the book its all lies! And of course, this on the same thread we are discussin whether bringing up Iraq is the same as giving advice on...

                  Please.

                  Either challenge the core of Clarkes accussation, or give it up.
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                  • Yet another example of why one should never underestimate the tendency for pinkos to focus ad nauseum on issues that have no traction with the public...
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                    • ... or any other overly opinionated people, for that matter.
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                      • Quiet, you!

                        You're ruining my troll with your reasonable opinion...
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                        • Oops. Sorry.
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                          • troll
                            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                            • Hey, are you trying out for the Italian Fez role?
                              NO WAY

                              Giancarlo (Fez, whatever) I am a gay republican, sounds strange isn't it?

                              Most of the times I am tempted about becoming a democrat I think:

                              is it better for myself to live in a country that supports gay rights and ecology or national security and people incomes?

                              And about Israel:

                              what would they do to me in Israel?
                              what would they do to me in Palestine?


                              Think about it
                              I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

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                              • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                                Yet another example of why one should never underestimate the tendency for pinkos to focus ad nauseum on issues that have no traction with the public...
                                You mean like Bush's desertion? I was flogging that sucker for a year, and low and behold, it becomes an issue. Not saying I caused it, but face facts, if we keep shoutng the truth long enough, someone might accidentally pay attention.
                                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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