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  • #166
    Originally posted by ErikM
    Following your logic Verto any kind of Christian symbolic should be banned to - isn't Catholic Church responsible for inquisition, crusades, and a bunch of other niceties?

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    Same as everyone else. The difference? The RCC has apologized for it's FUBARs.
    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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    • #167
      Originally posted by ErikM
      Also, I don't think that particular argument would work very well on a Mormon, whose folk were oppressed for quite a bit of time in the states.
      Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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      • #168
        Originally posted by ErikM
        Following your logic Verto any kind of Christian symbolic should be banned to - isn't Catholic Church responsible for inquisition, crusades, and a bunch of other niceties?

        Russian communism is essentially a social experiment that went wrong. Right now it is easy to say how wrong it was. Back in 1917 it was not obvious and communist ideas had some substantial support from people around the world. Heck, judging by Apolyton it has not completely lost its appeal even now.

        There is a big difference between a regime that built up its ideology around hatred of "lesser" nations and a regime that tried to achieve brotherhood and equality for everyone.

        An example with Christianity just shows that people possesed by some sort of messianic zeal often end up doing terrible things.
        If these so-called Communists could see that the Hammer & Sickle and other symbols of the USSR are just as anti-semitic/racist/evil as a Waffen SS recruitment poster, I would have no real objection.

        And I realize symbols have different meanings to each individual.

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        • #169
          Originally posted by Lonestar


          You'll noticed I very carefully said that believing in the ideology of communism is stupid.

          And, it's further worth noting that the track record of capitalism ( albeit, at least a little regulated) indicates that the quality of life for the average joe is a lot better than it is in communist countries.
          Only because they are ripping off others.

          Besides, you should know better than to use the tired old "human nature" argument. Communal living was the norm over most of the history of our species - if anything is natural it is that.

          And any student of Marx could tell you that what counts as "human nature" at any one time is largely a social construct.

          Save the bad arguments for somewhere else.
          Only feebs vote.

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          • #170
            Originally posted by mrmitchell

            Joncha got it. That you were a Hitler fanboy.

            There are lots of things worse than a Nazi, but there ain't much worse than a Nazi in denial.
            Hell no. I am no nazi. In fact I'm very happy the Nazis were defeated. My avatar is gone. Happy people? Now shut up about this whole thing and lets get back to the topic.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #171
              It has something to do with society too Verto. Waving a Swastika or SS poster is worse than popping out your *** at the Super Bowl. But waving a Hammer+Sickle or attending a Communist demosntrations is n't that badl .
              meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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              • #172
                I have no problem with a Hindu, for example, using a swastika as their religious symbol. The context changes the symbol. Just about anyone else who uses one is a neoNazi or a Hitler fanboy like Fez.
                ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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                • #173
                  Who should apologize Lonestar? CPSU was outlawed in 1991.
                  And apologize to whom? CPSU under Stalin mostly slaughtered population of its own country.
                  It is only totalitarian governments that suppress facts. In this country we simply take a democratic decision not to publish them. - Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister

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                  • #174
                    Putin, the people's president.

                    One of his drawbacks is that he is damn too gentle and indecisive.
                    Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                    • #175
                      Happy people?
                      No, because now you're trying to hide the problem. If you don't admit that it exists, you can only make it worse.
                      meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                      • #176
                        Originally posted by joncha
                        I have no problem with a Hindu, for example, using a swastika as their religious symbol. The context changes the symbol. Just about anyone else who uses one is a neoNazi or a Hitler fanboy like Fez.
                        Well you are a Stalin fanboy.

                        mitchell, **** off. I am not a nazi. Don't even try to accuse me of being one. I hate Hitler, I hate his ideology and I think it is repulsive. As I hate Stalin.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #177
                          Is there a short word for Spanish Fascist then?
                          meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                          • #178
                            Originally posted by mrmitchell
                            Is there a short word for Spanish Fascist then?
                            I'm no fascist either.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #179
                              Your an authoritarian nationalist, correct?
                              Eventis is the only refuge of the spammer. Join us now.
                              Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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                              • #180
                                Originally posted by Lonestar
                                yeah Tas, what's up with that? Why do you have the avatar of a guy who's running around shutting down the freepress?
                                Wrong. The press is still pretty much free. It is the free TV that he was shutting down.

                                On the other hand, TV as a blackmail tool in the hands of shameless oligarchs (as it was before) can hardly be considered 'free' either. I guess Russia has not yet had enough time to reach an American-style "understanding" between privately owned TV channels and the government.
                                Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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