Ireland's Smoking Ban

[Ming]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Last I checked, the annual tobacco related death figure is 10 times that of traffic accidents. Both for the United States.

But not from second hand smoke

The choice between drinking and not drinking is not equivalent to the choice between smoking and avoiding places that allow smoking. You can still got to bars and not get drunk should you so choose. With smoking though, you either go to bars and put up with second-hand smoking or avoid bars totally and have your social life only taking place on internet forums.

You can go to smoke free bars and other smoke free enviornments... a choice

And regarding "choosing" to work at a bar - if you have a job in a bar it is highly unlikely that you are in a position to pick and choose what type of job you want.

First... if you choose to work in a bar, you know in advance whether it is a smoke free enviornment or not... again, your choice. Plus... what about other jobs where people take risks... like coal mining... People make their own choices

[Skanky Burns]

You can go to smoke free bars and other smoke free enviornments... a choice

Sure. The closest smoke-free bar to me is probably in America though, so somewhat negates the choice factor.

[Solly]

You might find a greater number of Dubliners go to pubs, but fewer tourists. Possibly.

But I sure would think of Dublin now as a good place for my stag night

[our_man]

~~~

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

What's wrong with having dedicated smoking bars? Where smokers are welcomed, and all staff employed being smokers too?

There you are. All adults, all consenting. What's the problem?

[Gibsie]

At British American Tobacco, they let you smoke wherever and whenever you like- even in labs where they do testing! I'd hate to work in a place like that... which would include many pubs.

[C0ckney]

But I sure would think of Dublin now as a good place for my stag night

you're getting married?

[Solly]

"you're getting married?"



"What's wrong with having dedicated smoking bars? Where smokers are welcomed, and all staff employed being smokers too?"

They should only be granted by special licence, with only one in x bars allowed them.

[our_man]

~~~

[Ming]

Originally posted by our_man
I've been to my few share of pubs, both in Ireland and on the continent and I have never seen a smoke free bar Ming. For the non-smoker, there isn't a choice.

Sounds like a great business opportunity to me.

I have to agree with the Gimp. I don't see why their shouldn't be smoking and non smoking bars. Let the market decide the need. By reading the posts here... many people WANT smoke free bars. There are enough patrons to make it practical from a business side to have both available to customers. Why should the government dictate to private business on this matter.

I hear the ole... why should smokers impose on non smokers stuff.. fine. There are already many rules in place to make sure this doesn't happen in public places. But when it comes to private, why should the non smokers impose their will on the smokers. It's a two way street. Smoking is still a legal product the last time I checked. Businesses should be able to decide how they want to handle it.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I am not addicted to nicotine and never have been. I last smoked about a month ago. Next time I go to the pub I intend to smoke 10-20.

Though the BMC and Nannies won't admit this, the fact is that some people are spectacularly resistant to addiction. I'm one, as I can testify through much use of addictive things.

[Dauphin]

Go without a poly post for one month and get back to us.

[Ming]

Originally posted by our_man
My answer to this would be that the State has a duty to protect its citizens. Some might argue that what the Irish government is being too intrusive with regard to this; I think if it helps save lives, it's good.

What's next... no booze... no fatty food... no cars allowed in cities...

If smoke free and smoker bars were established, people would have a choice... no different than what else we put into our bodies.

[Solly]

"If smoke free and smoker bars were established, people would have a choice"

Who decides whether a bar can be smoky or smoke-free, and on what basis?

[Skanky Burns]

But when it comes to private, why should the non smokers impose their will on the smokers.

Because second-hand smoking is bad for our health.
The other way around - smokers avoiding smoking - is not bad for anyones health. Well, until their nicotine addiction kicks in.