Does poverty cause crime?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

A few questions, Cal. I think it's my turn now.

1- Before this thread started, did you think blacks were more likely to commit crimes than whites?

2- Have your views changed since then?

3- When it comes to posting on racial issues, what would be your estimate as to the proportion of your posts (or the quotes from articles that you post) that portray blacks (as a group) in a negative sense, as opposed to a positive one?

4- If your "scientific" convictions about race extend to propensity to commit crimes, why are you apparently unable or unwilling to provide effective proof of this?

[Caligastia]

What? You don't have any comments on my previous post?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Yes. Wait your turn. They'll come.

[Japher]

Of course according to left-wingers unemployment is the fault of society and never the individual.

Yup, but left-wingers pander to "under-privilaged", and need them to stay that way in order to garnish votes.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
A few questions, Cal. I think it's my turn now.

1- Before this thread started, did you think blacks were more likely to commit crimes than whites?

Yes, but not necessarily because of their genetic makeup.

2- Have your views changed since then?

No.

3- When it comes to posting on racial issues, what would be your estimate as to the proportion of your posts (or the quotes from articles that you post) that portray blacks (as a group) in a negative sense, as opposed to a positive one?

I would say that most of my posts on racial issues are usually arguing that racial differences exist rather than actually expressing what those differences are.

4- If your "scientific" convictions about race extend to propensity to commit crimes, why are you apparently unable or unwilling to provide effective proof of this?

I could spend a lot of time compiling the most convincing evidence I have, and post it, but I don't think it would be worth it. Nothing will convince you to change your mind on this.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Yet I'm not ignoring your "proofs", am I? Please do feel free to post more.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Prejudice

prej·u·dice ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prj-ds)
n.

An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.

The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. See Synonyms at predilection.
Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Yet I'm not ignoring your "proofs", am I? Please do feel free to post more.

Contrary to the impression you may have of me, I'm not out to make my racial group look better at the expense of others. What would be the point in that?

I'm more interested in finding out why so many are convinced that all races are equal when it comes to anything of significance.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Where's your proof, Cal?

Cal? Where's your proof?

Why are you professing a belief that blacks commit more crimes when you can't back it up, Cal?

More to the point- why?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.

The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. See Synonyms at predilection.
Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion

Are you saying I haven't examined any facts? Of course I have. But that's not the only thing that has helped form my opinons.

I used to think the way you do Laz. Then I moved to the US. My environment became far more racially diverse. At first I held onto my ideas of racial equality, but eventually I was no longer able to ignore my experiences. I realized from my experiences that races have significant differences after all. But one thing has not changed - the way I treat individuals.

[Japher]

I agree with Cali, of course...

Prejudism, no matter how you define it, is an assumption or an interpretation of thoughts based on preconceived notions disillusioned as fact.

IMO, that is a hypothesis.

Dismissing factors without basis to do so, especially when the factors seem significant, is bad methodology. Even if those factors are insulting.

I have performed many experiments that have proven to me that the factors I were using were not the right ones... However, in the case of crime, we are not allowed to address race as a factor without being called racist. Yet, every Justice Bureau DOES count race as a factor. Why? Because it is a blatantly obvious factor.

Is it genetic? Probably not. Comparing economic stature to the race however gives a better understanding. An understanding that would not, however, of come unless we address race as a factor.

Why are you professing a belief that blacks commit more crimes when you can't back it up, Cal?

Blacks are CONVICTED of more crimes than other races. Whether or not they COMMIT more crimes is not a discreet and easily measurable factor. I have seen no proof one way or the other.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Where's your proof, Cal?

Cal? Where's your proof?

Why are you professing a belief that blacks commit more crimes when you can't back it up, Cal?

I could back it up, but you've already stated that no crime statistics are good enough for you. You'd rather believe anything else (conspiracy!) your fertile imagination can come up with. Therefore I can see you are not prepared to be reasonable.

More to the point- why?

Let's just put it down to experience.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by Caligastia
I used to think the way you do Laz. Then I moved to the US. My environment became far more racially diverse. At first I held onto my ideas of racial equality, but eventually I was no longer able to ignore my experiences. I realized from my experiences that races have significant differences after all. But one thing has not changed - the way I treat individuals.

Well boo-hoo. Your move from a predominantly white area to a diverse area exactly mirrors my own. Only one of us is looking for racial stereotypes, however.

I've got this terrible affliction. I'm a practical and pragmatic sort of bloke, and I form my opinions on people based on their actions. Your history sucks, and you aren't moving away from it.

What goes on between your ears is entirely your own business, but once it gets on an internet board, be prepared to have people's opinions of you coloured by them.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Caligastia


I could back it up, but you've already stated that no crime statistics are good enough for you. You'd rather believe anything else (conspiracy!) your fertile imagination can come up with. Therefore I can see you are not prepared to be reasonable.

Actually, my stance is that I've never seen crime stats that I couldn't expose as flawed, incomplete or skewed. I'm perfectly happy to be put to the test again.

Your stance, as a self-proclaimed scientist, is to provide conclusive proof which is not flawed or skewed. Go to it, because you're heading for a "F".

[Tingkai]

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