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  • #31
    Originally posted by Giancarlo
    So you think the stadium executions were fine to continue because the taliban stabilized the country?
    And where did I say such a thing? Do you and Ted share the same brain, or are strawman arguments just the order of the day?

    When did you stop beating your boyfriend?

    The stadium executions weren't a sign of instability, they were actually a sign of the opposite--the harsh level of tyrannical control of the Taliban.

    Wake up man, I did say the taliban stabilized the country..
    No, you didn't. You just said there was less fighting, which isn't the same thing. And even the way you said it was deceptive, as the fighting ended in virtually the entire country, except for the 5% controled by the NA. That's not a civil war, that's contained rebels.
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    • #32
      So, let's see if I see your point:

      murderous, evil, rotten = great



      I'm leaning something new everyday, english is proving to be much more difficult then I thought.
      Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
      Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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      • #33
        The POINT is that people are assinging virtue in the stablity of the Taliban.

        Sure they were murderous, evil, and rotten, but at least they were more "stable" than the current regime.

        Like somehow that magic stability overshadows everything else and is the magic elixir.

        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Boris Godunov


          And where did I say such a thing? Do you and Ted share the same brain, or are strawman arguments just the order of the day?
          I am asking you.. what is your choice.... Karzai or the Taliban? Do you want a stronger Karzai? Or do you want the taliban back?

          When did you stop beating your boyfriend?
          Was that really necessary? That was blatantly rude. I am very nice to him. I am actually an incredibly laid back guy (very shy too) and so is he. I used to have a short temper but I am pretty good at controlling it.

          The stadium executions weren't a sign of instability, they were actually a sign of the opposite--the harsh level of tyrannical control of the Taliban.
          I don't support such control or brutality of women and girls.

          No, you didn't. You just said there was less fighting, which isn't the same thing. And even the way you said it was deceptive, as the fighting ended in virtually the entire country, except for the 5% controled by the NA.
          As I said I don't support either. I support Hamid Karzai. Personally he's a hero of mine, and it goes farther then clothing style (I love his nice hat). There was still fighting but you are right it was minimal. But it was still happening. And yes I totally acknowledge that the taliban stabilized the country.

          That's not a civil war, that's contained rebels.
          Yeah it is.. and?
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #35
            Defending the Taliban, Boris?
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            • #36
              What made me really angry is he supporting women beaters and killers, and at the same time accusing me of hitting my boyfriend. I am deeply offended and hurt. I never realized a gay man can hate women so much. Being a gay man, quite a few of my friends are girls. One has parents who are from Afghanistan though she was born here.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #37
                Nobody here supported the Taliban. It's just that some of us didn't support the Northern Alliance either.

                And Fez, Boris G's remark, "when did you stop beating your boyfriend" refers to the type of argument you are advancing... constructed in such a way as to be impossible to answer (precisely because you never did beat your boyfriend!)
                ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by joncha
                  Nobody here supported the Taliban. It's just that some of us didn't support the Northern Alliance either.
                  I even said I support neither, I don't know how much more clear I have to make this. Personally I want all the warlords gone and I want Karzai in firm control.

                  And Fez, Boris G's remark, "when did you stop beating your boyfriend" refers to the type of argument you are advancing... constructed in such a way as to be impossible to answer (precisely because you never did beat your boyfriend!)
                  That comment went way too far. He could of used a different example. I am just asking for an apology since he said that.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #39
                    Fez, it's an established example: "When did you stop beating your wife?" But since you are not married, and gay, he changed "wife" to "boyfriend."

                    Your reaction makes about as much sense as you being offended at his "straw man" remark because you aren't made of straw!
                    ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by joncha
                      Fez, it's an established example: "When did you stop beating your wife?" But since you are not married, and gay, he changed "wife" to "boyfriend."

                      Your reaction makes about as much sense as you being offended at his "straw man" remark because you aren't made of straw!
                      I don't think so, joncha. Offensive comments like that are not necessary. I am just asking Boris whether he supported the taliban or a stronger Karzai.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #41
                        Here you go, Fez, since you won't take my word for it:

                        Logical Fallacy: Loaded Question
                        http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html
                        many questions, complex question, loaded question, plurium interrogationum, erotetic logic, informal fallacy, informal fallacies, logical fallacy, logical fallacies, critical thinking


                        A "loaded question", like a loaded gun, is a dangerous thing. A loaded question is a question with a false or questionable presupposition, and it is "loaded" with that presumption. The question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife. If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded.
                        Since this example is a yes/no question, there are only the following two direct answers:

                        1. "Yes, I have stopped beating my wife", which entails "I was beating my wife."

                        2. "No, I haven't stopped beating my wife", which entails "I am still beating my wife."

                        Thus, either direct answer entails that you have beaten your wife, which is, therefore, a presupposition of the question. So, a loaded question is one which you cannot answer directly without implying a falsehood or a statement that you deny. For this reason, the proper response to such a question is not to answer it directly, but to either refuse to answer or to reject the question.

                        Some systems of parliamentary debate provide for "dividing the question", that is, splitting a complex question up into two or more simple questions. Such a move can be used to split the example as follows:

                        1. "Have you ever beaten your wife?"

                        2. "If so, are you still doing so?"

                        In this way, 1 can be answered directly by "no", and then the conditional question 2 does not arise.

                        Since a question is not an argument, simply asking a loaded question is not a fallacious argument. Rather, loaded questions are typically used to trick someone into implying something they did not intend. For instance, salespeople learn to ask such loaded questions as: "Will that be cash or charge?" This question gives only two alternatives, thus presuming that the potential buyer has already decided to make a purchase (this is similar to the Black-or-White Fallacy). If the potential buyer answers the question directly, he may suddenly find himself an actual buyer.
                        ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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                        • #42
                          That's not really relevant. I am just saying his comment was not called for and I am asking for an apology.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ted Striker
                            The POINT is that people are assinging virtue in the stablity of the Taliban.

                            Sure they were murderous, evil, and rotten, but at least they were more "stable" than the current regime.

                            Like somehow that magic stability overshadows everything else and is the magic elixir.



                            As I pointed out somewhere else, the current "regime" has very little control outside of Kabul. Everywhere else is as bad if not worse than Taliban days. The only difference is it was more stable with less crimes during the Taliban days.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Urban Ranger




                              As I pointed out somewhere else, the current "regime" has very little control outside of Kabul. Everywhere else is as bad if not worse than Taliban days. The only difference is it was more stable with less crimes during the Taliban days.
                              And I am saying you are dead wrong. Everything was much worse during the taliban era. Defending the taliban I see?
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #45
                                Offensive comments like that are not necessary.
                                You mean like the one in your sig? This one?

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