I just went into walmart for the first time in months... I feel physically ill

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Their work should net a higher wage, but due to local conditions their wages are artificially depressed.

If they think so, then they don't have to work for the corporation. If they do it isn't a failure of capitalism, it's a failure to implement capitalism (it isn't really capitalism if you're allowed to coerce people).

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Kucinich


If they think so, then they don't have to work for the corporation. If they do it isn't a failure of capitalism, it's a failure to implement capitalism (it isn't really capitalism if you're allowed to coerce people).

Capitalism doesn't have anything to do with coercion. The obvious shortcomings in implementing capitalism, as you point it out, show how necessary it is to think of a different system.

[Kuciwalker]

It isn't capitalism if you are allowed to steal my property. Duh.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Kucinich
It isn't capitalism if you are allowed to steal my property. Duh.

Well, it is the consequence of unbalanced capitalism, one where corporations can use international organizations to their advantage by imposing free trade and implementing their rule on third world countries.

[Kuciwalker]

No, it's a consequence of a dictatorial country.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Kucinich
No, it's a consequence of a dictatorial country.

And dictatorial countries don't spring out of nowhere, silly moron. They need some help.

[Kuciwalker]

Not really. Liberal democracies are generally the things that need help - dictatorships happen pretty naturally.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Kucinich
Not really. Liberal democracies are generally the things that need help - dictatorships happen pretty naturally.

Most people want to live in democracies. Dictators are funded so that they protect the property rights of American corporations, or else true democracies would never do so.

[Tiamat]

It's a two faced company. They tout how they only by American and all their goods come from only American products.....bull****e!! Turn over a dish and see if it doesn't say made in china! Yeah it does.....cause I'm looking at the bottom of a bowl that I bought there.....yup right there on the bottom....made in china.

[Dis]

*sigh*

such walmart bashing.

Yes many products are made overseas, and this means that americans are not working producing these goods.

What people fail to realize is how cheap goods are that are made overseas vs. in the U.S. So even though some americans may be making less money working other jobs than manufacturing, they can still afford to buy more products, because products are significantly cheaper.

That said, I prefer Target . Only because Walmart is too crowded with too many kids running around. Far too much poor white trash and trash of other ethnicities as well. Yes I sound snobbish. But I'm not. Because I'm poor white trash as well. But that doesn't mean I want to associate with poor white trash. I don't even want to associate with myself

[Imran Siddiqui]

Why do you say "obviously?" Where do these extras coming from? I can't see any extras for sweatshop workers in counties such as Thailand, the Philippines, and the PRC.

Of course there are. The sweatshops are offering more money than the employees had before. That's why there gets to be so much demand for these jobs.

Secondly, a lot of these people actually prefer farming if their livelihood wasn't displaced by cheap foreign agri imports

Foreign agri imports don't have an effect on sustenance farming.

Anti-globalisation groups have some good reasons.

Not that I can see. If sweatshops is their only reason, then it is a failing argument. Because the US, England, as well as South Korea all had sweatshops and were a natural progression of all these country's economies.

Most people want to live in democracies. Dictators are funded so that they protect the property rights of American corporations, or else true democracies would never do so.

Man, are you deluded. Kucinich/skywalker is correct. Dictatorship is the natural political system and has been for centuries. Democracy has recently taken storm and requires much more work and effort than dictatorship, which can spring up very easily without much. Your argument is utterly silly when you see how many dictatorships were in existance before capitalism.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Why do you say "obviously?" Where do these extras coming from? I can't see any extras for sweatshop workers in counties such as Thailand, the Philippines, and the PRC.

Of course there are. The sweatshops are offering more money than the employees had before. That's why there gets to be so much demand for these jobs.

But your own articles said that the alternative is sifting through a garbage dump. More then nothing is not neccisarily much (or even enough). How many times do I have to say this?

[PeteH]

Chances are, for most of the history of the area, there were no sweatshops, and people lived just fine. They may have been 'primative' but they also probably didnt have a garbage dump to sift through at all, never mind as an alternative to slave labor conditions.

It amazes me when people can just pick some arbitrary date and decide that after *this* point, its just how things are... "its either a sweatshop or garbage, but hey at least you have a choice" How about the choice to be de-colonized and their land repaired, that would be a real choice

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Most people want to live in democracies. Dictators are funded so that they protect the property rights of American corporations, or else true democracies would never do so.

*sigh*

Those countries are basically ancient civilizations that have been exposed to advanced civilazations. Name one ancient civilization that was truly a democracy.

Athens? Nope, not really - it was just an oligarchy of the aristocracy.

The Roman Republic? Nope, it was also just an oligarchy that they called a democracy to make it sound nice.

These countries tended to revert to dictatorship once those advanced civilizations left. They were going to go in the direction, regardless of outside influence.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by PeteH
Chances are, for most of the history of the area, there were no sweatshops, and people lived just fine. They may have been 'primative' but they also probably didnt have a garbage dump to sift through at all, never mind as an alternative to slave labor conditions.

It amazes me when people can just pick some arbitrary date and decide that after *this* point, its just how things are... "its either a sweatshop or garbage, but hey at least you have a choice" How about the choice to be de-colonized and their land repaired, that would be a real choice

Their land WASN'T destroyed... they are completely capable of going back to their old lifestyle.

However, we consider their old lifestyle poverty, and they consider their old lifestyle as worse than what they have now.