ANALYSIS: An Even-Handed Look at American, European Relations

[Dauphin]

Aren't many of those vetoes related to Israel? If so, you should ask Israel to reimburse you.

[Dauphin]

And anyway, isn't the US the UN's biggest debtor?

[Berzerker]

Imran -

But the US can easily decide to stop paying dues to the UN and leave! Duh!

But I can't, therefore the analogy to taxes is appropriate. Neither is voluntary...

No one is forcing the US from staying a member of the UN, but if it continues to want to do so, then it has to pay it's "fair share" of dues.

The people who won't vote to leave are forcing those who want to leave to remain members. And since when is the US not paying it's fair share? More Americans have shed blood for the UN that any other nationality.

I'm questioning whether you've ever been there.

Short memory there, Imran, we just left a thread where Loinburger had to point out that you screwed up reading what I said. And even you acknowledged it was you who screwed up.

Btw, thanks for the new sig.

Your argument is that a majority can "volunteer" a sacrifice by the minority. Taking lessons from Al Gore?

What are you arguing about anyway? Just to be contrarian?

One turn deserves another. Change your analysis to "Berzerker on Americans who don't want to part of the UN" and you'll convey the truth.

Big Crunch - speaking for myself, yes, and it would be nice if you and Imran let us answer before conveniently assuming we haven't thought thru it.

[Dauphin]

I haven't assumed anything. I asked in order to be enlightened.

[Dauphin]

And I think your reasoning for wanting to leave is likely to be thought out, even if I disagree with it. I'm guessing it will be along the lines of libertarian reasoning which you've shown you have thought about, but with which I disagree with.

[Imran Siddiqui]

But I can't

Since WHEN were we talking about YOU?!

Like you said:

The US pays alot more in blood, do you want to put a $ value on that? And the US pays more, period.

There is nothing about your individual payment to the UN.

Your argument is that a majority can "volunteer" a sacrifice by the minority.

My argument is that if the US doesn't wish to pay the amount that the voluntary organization it agreed to join has decided, it can always leave.

An apt analogy is that you are paying dues to a voluntary union, and you decide that your higher payment is unfair. If you think it is wrong, you can leave the union.

we just left a thread where Loinburger had to point out that you screwed up reading what I said.

Ah, you prove my point. Misreading = lack of logic in Berzerker world. And interestingly, I could say that you misread what you yourself posted .

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Berzerker


There's that, "you're rich, your 'fair share' is more than ours", argument. The US pays alot more in blood, do you want to put a $ value on that? And the US pays more, period.

Not really. Iraq was not an UN-led mission. In NATO-led Kosovo mission, American allies commited men and cash. Many foreigners have died in Afghanistan and other peacekeeping missions, too.

[Berzerker]

I haven't assumed anything. I asked in order to be enlightened.

How about this?

I don't think they have either, that's why I'm asking.

You arrived at your conclusion before waiting for an answer.

And I think your reasoning for wanting to leave is likely to be thought out, even if I disagree with it.

To which I'll quote you again:

I don't think they have either

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

When you look at GDP figures, America does less than its fair share.

So? We pay the most. I want service accorded us on that basis.

What kind of services? You've already served yourself well enough, by blocking almost anything like a peace plan for Palestine, anti-personnel mines convention, and most humanitarian initiatives.

[Ted Striker]

1) The citizens of the USA contribute more money to humanitarian activities outside of the USA than anybody else in the world. That is a quantitative fact.

2) USA is also taking steps to get rid of land mines

3) USA has led peace efforts between Israel and Palestine. Most of the plans that came close to success were drawn up by the Americans dumbass.

[Dauphin]

Berzerker, since when did assume = think?

I think many things, but that doesn't mean I assume them to be true.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
What kind of services?

More than we get now.

You've already served yourself well enough, by blocking almost anything like a peace plan for Palestine

It's nonsense like this that amuses me.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Berzerker

You arrived at your conclusion before waiting for an answer.

I had a hypothesis that I wanted to have tested.

[Imran Siddiqui]

More than we get now.

We already get an insane amount of services from the UN. Hell, it can be said that it benefits the US most of all!

[Ted Striker]

1) Imran tell us what services we get
2) DinoDoc tell us what services you want