Terrorist Victory In Spain

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
I think the use of the word terrorists is basically political propaganda. Before AQ targeting the U.S. they were known as freedom fighters. semantics and politics.

Freedom fighters? Your statements are blatantly arrogant. They are not freedom fighters. They are hated by much of the arab world.

In effect, any group that views are different from your can and will be labeled. Do you think a bunch of moslems are not saying right now that you can't negotiate with the great satan. We have to show these people that we are not inherently evil at the same time they've got to show us that they are not evil.

I have a few friends who are muslim. They have to learn the US is not inherently evil and by singing cumbaya and talking with terrorists we do not teach them this. We have to go after terrorists and kill them or jail them.

[Pax]

The fighters that went to afghanistan in the 80's. The ones that were supplied by the U.S. government were referred to as freedom fighters in the American Press.

I'm not going to be commenting any further because I get your basic point.
KILL THEM or JAIL THEM

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
The fighters that went to afghanistan in the 80's. The ones that were supplied by the U.S. government were referred to as freedom fighters in the American Press.

That was against Soviet Invasion. I have no objections and would of had no objections to that at the time. However, the US should of stayed by Afghanistan after the Soviet pull out.

[Az]

That was against Soviet Invasion. I have no objections and would of had no objections to that at the time.

typical hypocricy. So you'd rather have the Taliban than the soviet union? It's that kind of thinking that got us where we are, anyway.

And when One says Democracy, one doesn't mean just the rule of the majority, but personal freedoms, as well.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Azazel

That was against Soviet Invasion. I have no objections and would of had no objections to that at the time.

typical hypocricy. So you'd rather have the Taliban than the soviet union? It's that kind of thinking that got us where we are, anyway.

And when One says Democracy, one doesn't mean just the rule of the majority, but personal freedoms, as well.

Nope not total hypocrisy. In fact the taliban were welcomed in the beginning when they were more moderate.. welcomed as a stablizing force. They went radical and started blowing up statues, executing women, and killing whoever opposed them.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
The fighters that went to afghanistan in the 80's. The ones that were supplied by the U.S. government were referred to as freedom fighters in the American Press.

I'm not going to be commenting any further because I get your basic point.
KILL THEM or JAIL THEM

Uhmmm, they also went there to fight the Red Army, not to Moscow to blow up civies.

[Pax]

It's not what they went there for that I'm pointing out. It's the label they were given.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
It's not what they went there for that I'm pointing out. It's the label they were given.

Terrorist = People who blow up civilians

I think they fit the profile.

[Az]

Nope not total hypocrisy. In fact the taliban were welcomed in the beginning when they were more moderate.. welcomed as a stablizing force. They went radical and started blowing up statues, executing women, and killing whoever opposed them.

**** the Taliban. I am talking about the warlords the USA supported against the Soviets. Sure, they were "Moderate" at first, at that they didn't attack the USA. If you think that their internal policies changed, you're oh so wrong. In fact, the Soviet Union would've turned it into a second world country. Now, it's probably the most ****ed up nation on earth.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Azazel
**** the Taliban. I am talking about the warlords the USA supported against the Soviets. Sure, they were "Moderate" at first, at that they didn't attack the USA. If you think that their internal policies changed, you're oh so wrong. In fact, the Soviet Union would've turned it into a second world country. Now, it's probably the most ****ed up nation on earth.

Somebody had to fight against the Soviets. Sorry that was how the situation was. That last part about the Soviets turning it into a second world country is questionable... like Somalia? Angola? Or how about some of the other soviet backed regimes in Africa? The Soviet Union wouldn't of done **** and in fact made the situation a lot worse. The country actually had infrastructure before the Soviet invasion. So don't you give the soviet union credit for anything.

[notyoueither]

The label was Mujahedeen, btw. These people were not in the same category as AQ, Hezbollah, or assorted other flavours of murderers.

They went and fought people with guns who were perfectly able to defend themselves. They did not go to other countries and murder civies. Can you see the difference?

[Az]

The label was Mujahedeen, btw. These people were not in the same category as AQ, Hezbollah, or assorted other flavours of murderers.

They went and fought people with guns who were perfectly able to defend themselves. They did not go to other countries and murder civies. Can you see the difference?

I, of course, can see the difference in methods. In fact, I never claimed that their methods were wrong. It was their end goal that was THE REAL problem. Just like with Al Qaeda, really.

[Pax]

So what happened to the Mujahedeen? Where did they go? was OSL a Mujahedeen?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
The country actually had infrastructure before the Soviet invasion. So don't you give the soviet union credit for anything.

Yes, it did, which was destroyed during the war that the west and the saudis helped bankroll. A lot of that infrastructure had been paid for by the soviets, as both the US and USSR helped build p afghanistan to curry favor.

[GePap]

Originally posted by notyoueither
They went and fought people with guns who were perfectly able to defend themselves. They did not go to other countries and murder civies. Can you see the difference?

Certainly they stayed home..though the people of Kabul might might disagree with the whole "not killing civies" bit.