Bill O'Reilly - Europeans are soft because they are weaned on Socialism

[Giancarlo]

**** you guys. I want inequality. I want to be better than other people. I want to kick some ass. If it is socialism, then you better let me be party head so I can have my cavier and fine wine... then when my time comes I will take corrup... I mean retirement money numbering no more than $500 million.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Frankychan
Hmmm, Universal Healthcare..........

[ sarcasm ] Yup, that is definitely weak. Providing healthcare to anyone that needs it. [ /sarcasm]

O'Reilly can kiss my a**. Socialism's core roots are in equality, whereas capitalisms core roots are mired in greed.

In my 30 odd years of life, I've come to the conclusion that indivual human beings have a knack for ruining things, just as they have a knack for doing good things. IOW, it all comes down to the indivual and the choices s/he makes in life. I've seen plenty of capitalists do good by their people, and the same holds true for those who hold more "socialistic" views. OTOH, I've also seen both do terrible things.

It's all about the individual and the choices s/he makes ...

Gatekeeper

[Dinner]

If students fail to master the skills taught in a certain grade then they should be held back. Social promotion won't do them or else one bit of good plus it devalues the worth of a high school diploma.

[Pekka]

How dows socialism devalue High School Diploma?

[Dinner]

we finally realized why oreilly wants to keep kids back -

This quote made it sound like LoA disagreed with the idea of making kids repeat a grade if they don't master the necisary skills. It has nothing to do with socialism and instead deals with LoA original post.

[Pekka]

oh sorry I misunderstood. YEs, definitely, if the kid don't get it, make him go at it again. This is just statistic games you know.. 'if we can mark him up as graduate, it's good to us' instead of actually getting educated. Statistic game will not do anything good in the long term, and such, I'm already writing my Biblican stuff I'll be shouting and trying to make faces like Sam Jackson.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Frankychan
Socialism's core roots are in equality, whereas capitalisms core roots are mired in greed.

Yea, one is rooted in an idea that doesn't exist in the real world beyond the molecular level and the other in something universal to human nature.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Frankychan


You have got to be kidding me, right?

Capitalism makes its wealth by stratification of society. Where the rich become richer by making money off of those with less....in essence, exploitation.

Yea, that's why the same families have dominated the U.S. to a greater and greater extent since it was founded, while the penniless immigrants have been reduced to lira-less citizens. No wonder so many people are queing up to leave the country and no one wants to come here.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Gatekeeper


In my 30 odd years of life, I've come to the conclusion that indivual human beings have a knack for ruining things, just as they have a knack for doing good things. IOW, it all comes down to the indivual and the choices s/he makes in life. I've seen plenty of capitalists do good by their people, and the same holds true for those who hold more "socialistic" views. OTOH, I've also seen both do terrible things.

It's all about the individual and the choices s/he makes ...

Gatekeeper

Keep your damnably reasonable opinins to yourself!

Capitalism and Socialism are not mutually exclusive. One is simply the codification of observations about human economic behavior, the other a political system. The U.S. system is simply one which subscribes to both Capitalism and Socialism, though the latter to a lesser degree than in most of Europe.

[BeBMan]

Wait - a guy named Bill O'Reilly speaks bad about us Eurocoms? Oh the horror!

[Bereta_Eder]

http://www.flash.gr/

Scroll to the bottom of the page and look at the left bottom part

[Lincoln]

Pointing the finger at Europe is not the answer becuase we have many socialists here. So we creep ever closer to socialism here while we ridicule Europe. Of course Pekka is right. We cannot group all nations in a certain geographic area together and write the whole thing off.

Anyway, socialism is based on the big mommy principle. People cannot handle individual liberties so they depend on the state to make decisions for them just like their mother did when they were children.

[Pekka]

Lincoln, What would those decisions be that the state would make for you?

[dannubis]

we have a socialist governement

and although i would rather see a more right course of action, i cannot say i feel the governement is making all of my decisions.

of course, if by socialism you meen communism you have a point.

[Pekka]

I don't think by core socialism is bad. It doesn't count out the capitalist thinking and implementation.

I would say as far as socialism goes, we do have pretty working system, but it is starting to crumble. I think we could keep some of the socialist ideas, but change the system more that it would generate more money. Generating money is only possible when you have big corporations doing business beyond borders, so that's where we need to put some more light. If we had many more succesful businesses, it could be different situation.

But as for now, there is not enough money and everyone suffers from it. The system is expensive, and if it's not working, there's no value to your system because the benefits of it are non existent, but you still pay for the system. Some ideas of socialism just needs to be dumped, but I think we could still keep the healthcare etc. We just need to step it up, generate money so it would actually work.

Call it capitalism with care.