John Kerry is out of control, just like Howard Dean

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by DanS


Hey, I had billable work to do for the VVVBEUC. Cut me some slack.

Thats fine... excuse accepted.

I'll just repost my question that you might have missed, in an effort to be helpful...

Originally posted by DanS
I can't believe you guys are defending this! You're too much!

Yep... the WhiteHouse commented on its distress at this negative attack.

Dan... seriously... do you think that Bush will get from now to election day... relying on positive advertising? If yes, then I've got a bridge to sell to you.

If they will inevitably make negative criticism of Kerry and/or his party infrastructure, exactly how will that be different from this specific incident?

[Shi Huangdi]

GePap: This is news simply for the sheer vitriol of this attack. While negative statements about the other party are commonplace, Calling the enitreother party a bunch of liars and crooks is an extreme low blow.

[MrFun]

But isn't the Republican party tarring the Democratic party as being opposed to greater security for our nation? Basically saying that the Democratic party are anti-American or unpatriotic?

[MrFun]

But isn't the Republican party tarring the Democratic party as being opposed to greater security for our nation? Basically saying that the Democratic party are anti-American or unpatriotic?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Shi
GePap: This is news simply for the sheer vitriol of this attack. While negative statements about the other party are commonplace, Calling the enitreother party a bunch of liars and crooks is an extreme low blow.

"Sheer vitrol"

If he had said : Dub is a mother****ing imbecile, a mental midget who should be shot and sight, and let me not get started on Cheney, that dickwad who I would like to club to death"-then this is a story.

As for your "oh my gosh, he is speaking about all republicans" sorry, but the intellectual dishonesty of that is massive-I am sure the union guy he told this to knew exactly which republicans Kerry meant.

This remains a non-issue dressed as an issue by people of little imagination and too much time on their hands to waste.

[Guynemer]

Not only is this not news, the Dean thing wasn't news, either! News services repented after playing that Dean clip over and over again (over a month after the fact).


The American media, and the political pundits and press in particular, are at the root of all that is wrong with our government.

[gunkulator]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You mean like he wanted to do with Haiti?

You left out the part about whipping the public into a frenzy time and time again over issue and spreading untruths about how they pose an imminent threat to us. Pretty big difference between that and proposing a humanitarian mission to a nation in anarchy.

[DanS]

The irony was that he said the GOP was the most corrupt group of people in front of a bunch of union leaders.

[Shi Huangdi]

Gepap: Laugh smilies, accusations about intellectual dishonesty, and throwing a temper tantrum doesn't make your point any more true.

It isn't what the union guy he was talking too thought he meant. The words of the statement themselves implicated all Republicans. The comment got out on a public discourse and that's why the statement needed to be qualified.

Moreover, just because the comments did not reach the puerile level of your example does not mean that calling your opponents liars and crooks outright is not a very vitriolic charge.

The media reports on what it reports on, I am sure they are quite capable of deciding what statements are newsworthy enough to interest viewers and they don't need your help.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

In the absence of substance, we can only judge Kerry on style.

So far he hasn't shown much of that either.

[DanS]

He has strayed into substance. But over the last couple of weeks (at least) he hasn't displayed any discipline there. He keeps running his mouth, just like Dean did. Because of this, you have such conservative papers like the Washington Post under a lead editorial headline of "Flip-Flop, Hedge and Stradle" say...

It's not always clear what, if anything, he's [Kerry] committed to. The senator's supporters say that what sometimes looks like indecision reflects his devotion to thinking through a problem, to weighing every nuance and potential consequence before leaping to a decision... But the hedging and subsequent grandstanding on Haiti raise the same question as do Mr. Kerry's campaign-trail straddles on a wide range of issues (trade, No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act and more): Where are the bedrock principles that would guide him in office?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by DanS
But over the last couple of weeks (at least) he hasn't displayed any discipline there.

Why did you qualify it as the last couple of weeks and not his entire career?

[DanS]

I haven't followed his career nor really the democratic primary. So I don't know if he has shown any discipline then.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Fair enough. Repubs point to the entirety of his political career as a pattern of flip flop.

I don't know if this is a fair characterization or not. But it does jive with the tar he was painted with from his fellow Dem running mates (read especially Dean and Clark).

[Capt Dizle]

You guys probably know how I feel about what Kerry said.

In the end, it just means more fence sitters swing to Bush so let him talk.