The west relied on them too much and was weak in europe imo. If we had allowed ourselves to become weak in a non-nuke world I think the Sovs would have attacked in the 70s or early 80s. Basicly this means nukes prevented a world war, right?
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Re: Did nukes prevent WWIII? ...erm, up to now that is.
Originally posted by Lancer
The west relied on them too much and was weak in europe imo. If we had allowed ourselves to become weak in a non-nuke world I think the Sovs would have attacked in the 70s or early 80s. Basicly this means nukes prevented a world war, right?
The nuclear world begun in August 1945- n a non-nuclear world, history after that point in its entirety would have been very different.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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I'm not sure if there was 'a will to go to war with the west' in the 70's and early 80's (I didnt get to sit in on any politboro meetings HEH HEH).
Consider this though, 1) the Soviets had a huge military armed with weaponry every bit as good as our own pointed at western europe, 2) they directly and indirectly (through puppet Cuba) supported insurgent activities against countries where the US and Europe had direct interests, 3) they remained more than willing to use their military in order to maintain control of their satellites in eastern europe.
The soviet military was riding high in the 70's and early 80's while NATO was declining. There may not have been a real 'will to go to war' but it didnt look that way to us. So, IMO, nukes helped maintain the balance and prevented even the thought of soviet or western aggression.We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.
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Hm, I could be wrong, but I thought the 50ies/60ies were more the time to worry about Soviet strength. It was the time of most military interventions (East-Germany 53, Hungary 56, Czechoslovakia 68), the time of the first Sputnik 57, and the first man in space 61. Also, since 79 the Soviet military was tied in Afghanistan, and the economical problems within he eastern block became bigger....Blah
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Originally posted by SpencerH
Consider this though, 1) the Soviets had a huge military armed with weaponry every bit as good as our own pointed at western europe, 2) they directly and indirectly (through puppet Cuba) supported insurgent activities against countries where the US and Europe had direct interests, 3) they remained more than willing to use their military in order to maintain control of their satellites in eastern europe.
1) US/NATO had a huge military armed with weaponry every bit as good as our own pointed at USSR,
2) they directly (Vietnam) and indirectly (Afganistan)supported insurgent activities against countries where USSR had direct interests,
3) they remained more than willing to use their military in order to maintain control of their satellites in South America and elsewhere.It is only totalitarian governments that suppress facts. In this country we simply take a democratic decision not to publish them. - Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister
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Originally posted by BeBro
Hm, I could be wrong, but I thought the 50ies/60ies were more the time to worry about Soviet strength. It was the time of most military interventions (East-Germany 53, Hungary 56, Czechoslovakia 68), the time of the first Sputnik 57, and the first man in space 61. Also, since 79 the Soviet military was tied in Afghanistan, and the economical problems within he eastern block became bigger....
Until the weaknesses in the the soviet military became apparent later on, their adventure in afghanistan was taken as clear evidence of their willingness to use their military to achieve their goals. Between that and Poland, we were very very worried.We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.
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Re: Did nukes prevent WWIII? ...erm, up to now that is.
Originally posted by Lancer
The west relied on them too much and was weak in europe imo. If we had allowed ourselves to become weak in a non-nuke world I think the Sovs would have attacked in the 70s or early 80s. Basicly this means nukes prevented a world war, right?
Which country encouraged the militaries in democratic states to overthorw their governments and establish military dictatorships? That would be the U.S. again.
Which country poured millions tens of millions into terrorist campaigns designed to bring down local governments? That would the U.S.
Which country poured millions into supporting local insurgencies agains governments allies to the other side? That would be both.
Which country sent its troops around the world invading countries allied to the other? U.S.
Which country sent its troops to various dicatorships to fight locally based insurgencies? The U.S.
Which country actually physically attacked the other? Again, the U.S.
But it was the Soviets who were going to invade the other side?Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Re: Re: Did nukes prevent WWIII? ...erm, up to now that is.
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Let's see . . . which country threatened the other directly with nukes, the US or USSR? That would be the US.
Khruschev put missles into nuclear missles into Cuba and Castro even asked Khruschev to launch them in order to destroy the United States. Castro said that the USSR had 68-90 warheads in Cuba during the Cuban Missle Crisis. As Kennedy demanded that the Soviets withdraw them and imposed a quarantine, Castro demanded that the Soviets wipe the US off the map.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by Ned
I love living in the Nedaverse which, translated, is anytime prior to the revision of history by communist history professors like Che.
Khruschev put missles into nuclear missles into Cuba and Castro even asked Khruschev to launch them in order to destroy the United States. Castro said that the USSR had 68-90 warheads in Cuba during the Cuban Missle Crisis. As Kennedy demanded that the Soviets withdraw them and imposed a quarantine, Castro demanded that the Soviets wipe the US off the map."The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
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Originally posted by Ned
Khruschev put missles into nuclear missles into Cuba and Castro even asked Khruschev to launch them in order to destroy the United States.
Or you mean something else? I personally never heard of putting "missles into nuclear missles".It is only totalitarian governments that suppress facts. In this country we simply take a democratic decision not to publish them. - Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister
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Originally posted by Ned
Khruschev put missles into nuclear missles into Cuba and Castro even asked Khruschev to launch them in order to destroy the United States.
OT, I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor about yourself. That's very cool.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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