What group of americans are still being discriminated against?

[St Leo]

This thread is predicated on the erroneous notion that history is cyclical.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Aeson
In my opinion, suicidal people are discriminated against still. While suicide isn't against the law in most places, failing at it can get you imprisoned even though no law was broken. You also are not allowed to find a safe efficient method to end your life, trying to do so can result in imprisonment for yourself and anyone trying to help you.

I have had a number of patients who have attempted suicide and not one was ever imprisoned because of it. I believe that there may be a law regarding members of the armed forces, but I don't know if it has been enforced recently.

[OzzyKP]

"Adultism or ageism do not exist."

Why not?

[OzzyKP]

"Age discrimination is perfectly valid discrimination, because there is a DIRECT correlation between age and experience."

That may or may not be the case, but even if so, what is the tie between experience and rights? The tie between experience and freedom? The tie between experience and equality?

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I have had a number of patients who have attempted suicide and not one was ever imprisoned because of it. I believe that there may be a law regarding members of the armed forces, but I don't know if it has been enforced recently.

By imprisoned I mean held against their will, not literally in a prison. A mental institution can hold and medicate a patient deemed a danger to themselves or others without consent, a criminal charge, reading of rights, or a fair trial. Criminals get a fair trial and due process, but by law there is no such guarantee for mental patients unless they are charged with a crime.

Suicidal people are denied medical care of their choosing by law. Again, certain criminals are administered lethal injection against their will, but for a law abiding citizen to be administered such a thing with their consent is illegal? Legalising euthanasia, establishing guidelines for the requesting and administration thereof, would allow suicidal patients to seek a safe method, and could also cut down on suicide attempts by introducing a waiting period between application for and rendering of services.

[bipolarbear]

I must say, you make a good point dissident, but I think that we still have a ways to go. Living in a small town in Southern Oregon, it doesn't look llike things have come that far at all.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
"Adultism or ageism do not exist."

Why not?

I'm not going to get into an argument over something so frivuluous as this non-issue.

I just wanted to express my common sense position on it -- feel free to disagree, but I'm not going to mud wrestle over this one.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
White protestant males.

Ah yes. The guys who own everything, run everything, control the White House, are the vast majority of the Senate and the federal judiciary. The comprise the largest group of lawyers, are the majority of partners at the big law firms. They form the majority of members of boards of directors and CEOs.

How in the **** are they being discriminated against? Why? Because they can't pinch womens' asses in the office without getting disciplined? Because negros have been getting all uppity lately with the hip-hop and the not tipping of hats? Because non-Christians don't want to hear a goddamned prayer at every ****ing public event or see the ten commandments when they go into court?

Are you high?

[Aeson]

I agree that age is not a very good judge of maturity. The problem is defining a better one. I would rather have an arbitrary and equal 'right of passage' than to have laws restricting who is or is not eligible.

In the arbitrary age case, at least everyone able to live to the age will be represented at some point, and nobody before. People are all treated equally by the law (if not by nature/fate). In the other case you have the government defining who can and can't vote. That is more problematic IMO.

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by monkspider
...Belgian-Americans.

What's that about?

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
If you are not a hetero white male you are getting discriminated against.

In addition
fat and short people
disabled

Close. The other big factor in discrimintation is class. The poorer you are, the more difficult it is to redress grievences through things like courts that are in many ways designed to shut the poor out. The harder it is to access capital, education, and the other things you need to advance in this society.

[David Floyd]

Yes, imagine that - people have to actually PAY for desired services!

We need MORE of that, not LESS.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Yes, imagine that - people have to actually PAY for desired services!

We need MORE of that, not LESS.

Yeah, low income tenants need to pay to access the courts in order to get cheap-ass landlords to meet the building code. Or to get legal help when their employer shorts them on a check.

Yeah, people should be shut out of enforcing legal rights for lack of money. Guess they can always just buy a shotgun and enforce their rights in a more old fashioned (and cheaper) idiom.

[mrmitchell]

Perhaps thats because "youth" are too stupid to think for themselves?

From the beginnings of slavery to the 1960's and still sometimes by nuts today, the argument was made that blacks were too dumb to think for themselves and needed the white man's "protection".

[David Floyd]

Actually, Templar, I was more referring to your comments about accessing capital and education.

The job of the courts and police is to enforce the law. On the other hand, it is ridiculous to try to make lawyers, cops, and judges work for free.