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  • #91
    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
    Exactly. 2/3rds of the states will never vote to take their own power away. Enough power has already been taken from the states.
    The EC is inhrently anti-democratic, just like the provisions that State legislatures would elect state senators, not the state voters directly. That certainly was a state power that 2/3rd of the states agreed to remove from themselves.
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    • #92
      The EC is inhrently anti-democratic, just like the provisions that State legislatures would elect state senators, not the state voters directly.


      Bah, an amendment I'd like to see abolished .

      That certainly was a state power that 2/3rd of the states agreed to remove from themselves.


      Not really. I mean, the states would STILL send two Senators. They just took it away from the State legislature and put it in the hands of the voters of the state. The states didn't lose any power from it.
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      • #93
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
        The EC is inhrently anti-democratic, just like the provisions that State legislatures would elect state senators, not the state voters directly.


        Bah, an amendment I'd like to see abolished .
        You're kidding, right? Law student humor?


        Please tell me you're kidding.




        But you are right, no way on God's green earth that the EC ever gets abolished. Certainly not in my lifetime. It's a damn shame.
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        • #94
          You're kidding, right? Law student humor?


          Please tell me you're kidding.


          NO, I'm not! For years, I've been against this amendment. Give the election of Senators back to the State Senates. It would encourage more paying attention to local politics, and make Senatorial candidates have to earn it by winning local election and convincing the other State Senators to send them up.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #95
            You are out of your bleeding mind.
            "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
            "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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            • #96
              So are you .

              The Senate isn't the place for popular sentiments. The House is.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #97
                The Senate would end up completely lopsided; state senates would elect senators from the majority party. Naturally, this would greatly favor Republicans.
                "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                  Nah.

                  Bush in a landslide.

                  You heard it here first.
                  Oh hell no. I have been predicting a landslide for months. But, in this case Ben, in agreeing with me you are going to be on the money.

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                  • #99
                    If that is the representation of the State legislature, then the majority party should be able to elect the Senator. The State senate would be a relection on the state as a whole.

                    Or, rather... I wouldn't mind having a popular vote on Senators, but the only people able to run would be those currently serving in State Senate.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • Nader is gonna take this thing and make it 3 way. An entire nation needs this man to stand up to the real criminals out there. His showing in the polls is significant enough to send a message to democrats: Toughen up and stamp out corruption or you will not be elected.

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                      • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                        Or, rather... I wouldn't mind having a popular vote on Senators, but the only people able to run would be those currently serving in State Senate.
                        That's a bit more tolerable, thank you.
                        "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                        "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                        • Anything to prevent what Corzine did in my home state.
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                            Anything to prevent what Corzine did in my home state.
                            Aside from spending an outrageous amount of money during the election, what did he do?
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                            • Originally posted by The Mad Monk
                              Yes, she has been promoted by her master, the people of Florida.
                              Actually, the people of Florida have no love for her. She can't run in a statewide election anymore. The Repug leaders had to strong arm her out of running for Bob Grahm's vacanting seat for fear she'd cost W the election in November. She cherry-picked one of the most Republican districts to run for Congress.
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                              • Given the original scenario, I could see rioting across the U.S if Congress goes either way. This is one of the most polarized elections in years. If Shrub got in like this, I could see people trying to physically stop the motorcade and tar and feather him. Wouldn't that be glorious?
                                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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