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  • Civil Unions for ALL, and to all a good night.

    This idea was partly inspired by...MrFun, I think. Well, somebody on this board said that gay relationships are not all about sex, but are complex, multifaceted things just like straight ones. I can't recall who it was exactly. I guess I was just a little too stunned by the news that straight relationships *aren't* just about sex.

    Anyway, the gay marriage brouhaha is primarily not about the right of certain persons to stick certain body parts in certain other body parts of certain other persons. All the op-ed pieces I've read by members of the gay community have been most distressed by the fact that, if their partners get sick/die/whatever, they can't get hospital visitation rights, inherit, make decisions in their absense, take care of the kid, file taxes jointly, and so on.

    So, rather than asking, "should there be nothing like gay marriage, gay marriage, or gay civil unions," why don't we all switch over to civil unions? With Civil Union, or some equivalent term, defined to mean a state of legally defined codependency between two adults, regardless of whether or not they are porking each other. Two close, straight male roommates could have a civil union if they wanted, just so neither gets treated as an outsider to the other's family by the law. "Divorce" laws could still apply under a different name, because a split in a previously interdependent group of people is always worthy of regulation, to make sure one doesn't get left high and dry. The SCOTUS ruling on the sodomy law seemed to set precedent for an age wherein the government really doesn't care what its constituents willingly do for fun anyway.

    The idea of "marriage" as it most upsets conservatives is so upsetting because marriage is associated with sacramental life in the common mind. I don't think that needs to be preserved. If people want to be united in the eyes of God, they can go to a church. Moral certification from the Federal government-a group of people famous for screwing secretaries and interns-is a dubious honor at best.

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    It needs changes to work
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  • #2
    Sounds good to me .

    Though I always did think (and still do) that government should get out of certifying unions or marriages and just have divisions of property, etc., based on bilateral contracts.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #3
      The religionists would never go for it.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #4
        "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
        "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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        • #5
          This is precisely what I'm advocating, except that civil unions are called "marriages", and that instead of being a dull piece of paper, they're a real public ceremony in which the mayor seals the union under the tears of the families
          "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
          "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
          "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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          • #6
            I think that adultery should be a crime and divorce should involve a 5 year waiting period.

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            • #7
              Argh, read question wrong, but still see no need for it. For the xth time, there is no compelling reason not to allow gays to marry.
              I'm consitently stupid- Japher
              I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Theben
                Argh, read question wrong, but still see no need for it. For the xth time, there is no compelling reason not to allow gays to marry.
                pretty sure u have that backwards. change requires a reason.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by yavoon
                  I think that adultery should be a crime and divorce should involve a 5 year waiting period.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                    hey we'd be bringing back some sanctity then!

                    ride em cowboy!

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                    • #11
                      jon miller why'd you hack yavoon's account?
                      I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                      I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                      • #12
                        It needs changes to work

                        The thing I think I liked most was the mention of roommates who could be put under this category and thus be considered a household, just like they technically are.

                        While I like what I read, I just think it'd need to be fleshed out a bit more.

                        I give it:


                        for effort and do realize that none of us are legislators, but if something like that was instituted the divorce laws would seriously need an overhaul, as would the actual definition of a 'civil union' since currently when I think of 'civil union' or marriage I think of two people who love each other who want to legally take themselves off the dating market.

                        I know wife and I had a 'civil union' even though it's basically a marriage, just had a judge because my wife is strictly anti organized religion.

                        /me shrugs.

                        Just because the legal terms 'civil union' and 'marriage' are being attempted to be defined, after all, doesn't mean that the common-folk talk has to be redefined. I'm 'married' to my wife, just as Rosie O'Donnell should be 'married' to her SO if they want.

                        Who really bloody cares what the courts and legal documents define it as as long as the couples use it how they mean to use it?
                        I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

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                        • #13
                          I say yes... in fact, the word marriage shouldn't be in government for hetero of homosexuals... marriage should be the business of the church, not the government. All unions between two people should be civil unions.

                          But Che is right... the gay-hating religionists want to punish gays, they will never compromise.
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by yavoon


                            hey we'd be bringing back some sanctity then!

                            ride em cowboy!
                            I don't want any sanctity in my mariage. We're both atheists.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                              I don't want any sanctity in my mariage. We're both atheists.
                              well we certainly are both atheists. tho I prefer to simply think of god as unnecessary.

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