Star Wars or Star Trek? An In Depth Report

[Patroklos]

The "Starship Troopers" storyline and would should not be judged by the movie as unlike the others is is a book adapted to a movie. Compromises had to be made. The book ties up all those loose ends, as well as purges the liberal message syndrome applied to it. It actually has the OPPOSITE message than the book on most levels.

Another SW good point, THE SW UNIVERSE HAS DIRT!!! That is right. Sometimes the machinery (thats right technology in SW has moving parts) gets oily, dirty, corroded, rusty, etc. It is a much more real looking atmosphere.

[Patroklos]

Ah a SWOrrier

I actually wanted to be a SWO too but the Navy thought different. I don't know about Ingleside. Have some freinds at Corpus across the channel and they do nothing but ***** about the place.

Good luck over there though.

[Pax]

I liked the Mobile Infantry concept in the Starship Troopers book. In the book the soldiers were basically one man armies that would mainly see each other at the pick up points. The live fire exercises and what not made more since in the book. The only part the movie I liked was the COED shower.

[Patroklos]

I liked that their were more variety of bugs in the movie. It is like they took all the capabilities of the human's away but at the same time magnified that of the bugs by several times.

[BeBMan]

Boris:

I still think the RotJ space battle hasn't been topped.

Yes, the battle scenes were great, I just was a bit dappointed when they made it into the huge reactor room, fired some laser beams and that was it....IMO that should have been more dramatic, for example with some dogfights taking place directly in front of the reactor before the rebels are blowing it up.

Pax:

What about Space above and beyond.

Just wondering - they showed it here on German TV some years ago, but stopped after some seasons with a kind of cliffhanger episode - was this show canceled in the US?

GePap:

Maybe the godawful Wing Commander film having nice battle set pieces.

Hm, I think the dogfights were ok, but the battle between the capital ships was crap. It was esp. funny when they gave the big Kilrathi ship a "full broadside" like a ship-of-the-line from the 18th century

[Patroklos]

SW has ground combat, and ST doesn't.

Sure they will press gang some helpless crewmen and send them on the infamous "away teams" but nothing specialized. Apparently this requires the top 10% of officers be included too, LEAD FROM THE FRONT! No armour (though aparenty personal shields and phasor resistant armor exists), no camo, no helemts, no field gear, no tanks (some other races have this, Kira mentions Cardassian ones), no atmosheric bombardment weapons (tropedoes and phasors can't even destroy a ship in one shot, imagine trying to waste cities).

Granted they can do quite a bit of damage from orbit, just like in SW, but what if you are not trying to glass the planet? What if you want it intact? What if you want to pacify the population? There just seems to be alot of situations where an army type organization would be helpful in ST. All those poor navy ratings just thrown into the meat grinder is painful.

Now Enterprise has Marines, which is a step in the right direction, but they are not in any other series.

[Pax]

Space above and Beyond was cancelled at the explosive cliffhanger you saw. If you followed the show you never saw it coming. But I think it is plausible.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
Space above and Beyond was cancelled at the explosive cliffhanger you saw. If you followed the show you never saw it coming. But I think it is plausible.

Hm, thats a pity, I liked it somehow, although not as much as StarTrek or B5.....

[Patroklos]

I had one sticking point with Space Above and Beyond.

Why would you use pilots that you spent millions of whatever they have on training and are obiously some of your best fighter pilots as regular infantry? once again slaughtering the scifi "world" you creatd for the sake of character plot (can't be helped).

I only ever saw one "fleet battle," which was a one on one against a "chig" capital ship of unknown class/size. Only involved the main carrier of the plot. Saw three terran carriers bombard a planet in one episode, with one bieng destroyed. Pretty cool.

[GePap]

I guess the writers wanted to showcase both space fights and ground battles while keeping the cast tiny.

[Drake Tungsten]

I Couldn't care less about this Banal, Embarassing and Assinine Science-fiction Tripe...

[Patroklos]

Can't let the thread end on that note, hater.

[yavoon]

star trek

star wars is whoretastic.

[GePap]

Can't let the thread end on that note, hater.

Why do haters post anyway? If you don't like the topic, stay out..

But Drake is just sad cause no one is mentioning Dune positively.

[Patroklos]

I lkied the whole royal family thing, as lets face it, if you are going to hold domnon over 1000s of worlds and billionsupon billons of people it will be through dictatotal power.