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[Asher]

Originally posted by Hagbart
The Creative Jukebox was released in late 2000.
The original iPod was released in dec. 2001.

That's ca. 1 year.
1 year does not equal 3 years. Learn maths.

Sorry, was getting the Nomad II and Jukebox dates mixed up.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Hagbart
Sorry I have to say this, Asher, but you are not a very nice person.



Hope I'm not violating Apolyton code of politeness.

No, you are just pointing out the obvious. It doesn't matter if it's gay marriage, computers or whatever; he'll always be the first to stoop to childish insults.

Not that there's anything wrong with childish insults, if delivered with style and irony; but genuine, unreflective malice is the mark of a sociopath.

[Q Classic]

man, and i thought trying to argue sense into agathon and asher was bad...

who is this hagbart fellow, anyway?

[Hagbart]

Sorry I have to say this, Asher, but you are not a very nice person.



Hope I'm not violating Apolyton code of politeness.

[Agathon]

You know, someone could have ripped the HD out of a PC and made a "portable" player out of it (it would have weighed a ton, but technically it would have been portable). But who would have bought it?

The ipod was a big deal because it was small.

[Hagbart]

Originally posted by Asher

It used the smallest hardware available at the time. The Jukebox predated the iPod by nearly three years, which is a LONG TIME in computer technology.

The iPod still isn't innovative, it's a more polished product of something Creative innovated with.

Deal with it.

The Creative Jukebox was released in late 2000.
The original iPod was released in dec. 2001.

That's ca. 1 year.
1 year does not equal 3 years. Learn maths.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Hagbart
iPod supports both USB2 and firewire.

The Zen did it first, natively. Therefore, Apple once again copied Creative's innovation.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Hagbart
The clickwheel is just a development of the touchwheel which was a development of the scrollwheel from the original iPod back in 2001. The Zen wasn't even born back then. Sry

Trying to paint the iPod as the elder in the MP3 market doesn't work, seeing as Apple copied CREATIVE'S GLORIOUS INNOVATION of using a HD for a portable MP3 player. Sorry.

Macheads are so fun.

[Hagbart]

Originally posted by Asher

FWIW , the Zen with Firewire was discontinued pretty quickly, because people prefered USB 2.0.

iPod supports both USB2 and firewire.

[Asher]

The trend to use a GUI existed before Apple did it Most makers thought hardware wasn't powerful enough for a GUI, and they were right.

Give me a 8086 or 286 with DOS over that any day.

[Hagbart]

Originally posted by Asher

It's a single scrollwheel that clicks and controls every aspect of the interface.

How the hell is that not a click-wheel?

You're another Machead that doesn't know what innovation is. Everything Apple copies and changes is an innovation...

The clickwheel is just a development of the touchwheel which was a development of the scrollwheel from the original iPod back in 2001. The Zen wasn't even born back then. Sry

[Agathon]

Young whippersnappers like Asher just don't appreciate how radical the original Macintosh was.

I remember when our school got the first mac in our town (1985 I think it was), we all just stood around and watched people use it, it was so different from any computer I had seen up until then and anyone could use it. Our lab used to have Apple IIe's. But there were always fights over who got to use the Mac because it was so cool and you could do all sorts with it.

I'd seen stacks of computers before then. I was a proud owner of a Sinclair ZX81 and a Spectrum and my friends had Commodore machines. I also played around on professional computers as my uncle had owned and run a computer company since the mid sixties (he was the first person to bring a computer into our town). I remember playing early computer games back in the late 70s on a precursor to the IBM PC.

The Mac was a revelation. I still have my old ZX81 manual at home somewhere. It's about 3/4 of an inch thick and I had to spend hours learning how to learn the basics of BASIC. Anyone could learn to use the Macintosh in about 5 minutes.

I think Apple deserves credit for getting the GUI to work and making mass market computers easier to use.

[Q Classic]

Using Firewire with a mp3player was NEVER done before Apple did it.

...

you still don't get it, do you?

hagbart, firewire/ieee1394 could be used on the ipod because most macs came equipped with them. until this past cycle, it wasn't even standard on most x86 machines. why? not innovation (or lack thereof), but because most consumers didn't want to shell out the extra money required for a firewire port in their box.

is the answer to that. it wasn't innovative, it only managed to work because ipods at the time were only for macs, and most macs had firewire ports.

even today, when some people on x86 buy an ipod, they have to buy a firewire expansion card along with it.

if you want to think of firewire as an innovation, then count the addition of usb2.0 into creative's mp3 players as innovative too.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Hagbart
Having a touchsensitive wheel PLACED on a mp3player has NEVER been seen before the iPod.

Did you not hear me? This has been done in the Zens since the beginning.

Using Firewire with a mp3player was NEVER done before Apple did it.

Oh come on, this is not innovation. Putting a multimedia connection on a multimedia device, when will the madness END?...

There's at least one Zen model that had Firewire & USB. THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. Therefore this is INNOVATION. BOW before Creative...

So it IS a new thing and THEREFORE INNOVATION. Deal with it.

FWIW , the Zen with Firewire was discontinued pretty quickly, because people prefered USB 2.0.

[Q Classic]

And the LORD cometh down the mountain, and he punished the Applelites, and punished the Microsofites and he said "AND YEH SHALL STOP THY BICKERING AND SILLINESS, OR THY SHALL SUFFER MY FULL WRATH", and thus HE spake, and the Applelites and Microsofites ignored the LORD, and shall be smited soon for their blasphemy.....

that's because the LORD uses the Gentoo Distribution of GNU/Linux.

i should know, because he's the one who told me so.