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  • #31
    Originally posted by DanS
    Just go through Colin Powell's presentation to the UN. There was plenty of substantial evidence in that.

    Just because we know after-the-fact that, on balance, the evidence that we had pointed only partially to truth doesn't mean that it wasn't solid or substantive evidence.


    oh that was great thanks DanS... will you be here all week?
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Sava


      oh that was great thanks DanS... will you be here all week?
      and it didn´t even answer my question about the "substantial evidence".
      justice is might

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      • #33
        Sure it did.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #34
          Originally posted by DanS
          Sure it did.
          to be fair to Dan, Powell's presentation had substance... it's just that the subtance wasn't the truth.
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #35
            Well, there you go.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #36
              Originally posted by DanS
              Sure it did.
              no it didn´t. you only stated who presented them.
              justice is might

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              • #37
                Don't be so obtuse.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #38
                  For myself I am perfectly willing to accept that Bush believed the stuff about WMD. And did so on the basis of whatever stuff he was fed by those who peddle "intelligence".

                  But no one has said that anything suddenly happened to sharpen the threat posed by Iraq and Saddam Hussein.

                  Self evidently the decision to invade was made as a part of the various things done in response to the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre. No one contends otherwise.

                  That attack frightened and outraged large numbers of people in the US. Which led Bush to start his bandwaggon.

                  That his actions have been wholly disproportionate seems to me clear - as it does to everyone else in the world save only Blair and those in the US whose patriotic pride Bush has been playing upon.

                  If Bush now does not find new ways to prosecute his war on terrorism, does not refocus it to include internal enemies and abides by democratic values in his government and in his electioneering I will happily acknowledge being the victim of hysteria.

                  But the three things he has done which worry me are to imprison without trial, to employ the power of the state in support of individual murder and to focus political attention on a demonised enemy which he says only he has the fortitude to resist.

                  These are not the actions of someone who believes in democracy. They are the basic tools of the dictator.

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                  • #39
                    Bush has always stayed on-side and never pushed against the judicial or legislative branches of government. This leaves him in a weak executive position and puts him in favorable stead against presidents in time past, such as FDR, who did a hostile takeover of the judicial. The US president, if he stays on side, is a whole hell of a lot weaker than a Brit PM is.

                    Regarding imprisonment without trial for US citizens and immigrants, this is something that needs to be monitored. As I recall, there were a couple thousand of these after 9/11, only maybe a handful of which were still in the slammer a year after then. These actions are up for judicial review. This is something that needs to be guarded against, but I would note that presidents in wars past have been much more draconian, such as FDR, who imprisoned many more Americans of Japanese descent.

                    That his actions have been wholly disproportionate seems to me clear - as it does to everyone else in the world save only Blair and those in the US whose patriotic pride Bush has been playing upon.
                    You have much too little respect for those with different positions, counseler.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #40
                      I don't have your viewpoint, Dan. So maybe you see clearer.

                      I will hope so.

                      And take what comfort I can from the vigilance you intend to exercise in relation to imprisonment without trial.

                      Sad as I am to find, if I read your post aright, that if it is my liberty lost you will lose no sleep.

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                      • #41
                        And take what comfort I can from the vigilance you intend to exercise in relation to imprisonment without trial.
                        It's constantly under judicial review. There is a Supreme Court case this term regarding it.

                        Sad as I am to find, if I read your post aright, that if it is my liberty lost you will lose no sleep.
                        Hey, I don't live and vote in your country. Sounds to me like you need to worry about your PM more than any American president, whose sphere of action is constitutionaly limited.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #42
                          OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANNING!!!!
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #43
                            So who will the Republicans pit against Kerry in 2008?

                            What is the 'office of special planning' btw ?

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                            • #44
                              Since when did DanS become Ned?
                              http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by monkspider
                                Since when did DanS become Ned?
                                In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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