The GOP's Worst Nightmare

[MrFun]

Originally posted by jimmytrick

Is there a hole in my thinking?

You really shouldn't ask a question if you do not want an honest answer to it.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
died-in-wool Republican all my life.

While I have no objections to dead Republicans, I believe you meant "dyed."

[MrFun]

Imran must be an airhead!!!!!!!!!

[Boris Godunov]

Well, he did once argue that 2+2 could be made to equal 5, so take that as you will.

[Tripledoc]

Regarding the importance of a military record:

In the 2000 primaries McCain was 'supposed' to have won, right?

Now I don't know if he exactly had some policy aims that could have turned off any Republican if he or she thought objectively about it. A military man with a strong anti-corruption aganda. (anti-corruption was parhaps his fall?)

Nevertheless my question is this. If Karl Rove had not conducted his push poll campaign were Republicans were asked if they would vote for a man, McCain, who had an 'illegitmate black child', would Bush then have lost?

As it were McCain had actually adopted a child from Bangladesh. So neither black nor illegitimate. As if it would matter.

Naturally the calls made it evident that Republicans would rather not prefer a man who had an 'illegitimate black child', so Bush got the ticket.

Now if Kerry who has a military record, but is apparenty in cahoots with the Chinese (this rabbit was also pulled against Gore, remember - those dirty Chinese!), but he does not have an illegitimate black child, would this mean that Bush is in trouble?

Of course Kerry will now have to 'disprove' that he is not on the Chinese payroll. This will probably be as difficult as Saddam 'disproving' his possesion of non-existent WMDs.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, he did once argue that 2+2 could be made to equal 5, so take that as you will.

As did many others in a thread I asked you to look at, but you never did . In fact I believe at least 3 or 4 people there said that based on the mathematical system 2+2 did not have to equal 4. I believe GePap may have been there.

Imran must be an airhead!!!!!!!!!

That's what they tried with Bush and the underestimation worked for him .

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Well, he did once argue that 2+2 could be made to equal 5, so take that as you will.

As did many others in a thread I asked you to look at, but you never did . In fact I believe at least 3 or 4 people there said that based on the mathematical system 2+2 did not have to equal 4. I believe GePap may have been there.

Imran must be an airhead!!!!!!!!!

That's what they tried with Bush and the underestimation worked for him .

This 2 + 2 = 5 bullsh*t? Was this from a philosophical thread or something?

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
This is a good place to thread jack. I have a question. It was widely reported as fact that Hussein openly supported Palestinian terror by paying bounties to the families of suicide bombers.

There is a bit of distortion here. It was 'widely reported' by the....BBC.

However the story was that in the case of a suicide attack, subsequently the Israeli Military would bulldoze the home of the family. Collective punishment.

Then Saddam Hussein (or some underling working in the foreign dept, fourth floor), would send a check to the family sounding 25.000.

These payments were however insignificant compared to the war reparations this selfsame underling had to pay to israeli cinema owners who during the first gulf War had suffered incurable losses due to the Scud Attacks, and the general interest in the war which kept people at home glued to their televison screens.

[Berzerker]

Washington DC runs on integrity. If you don't have it, you won't last long. I bet you guys have much less knowledge about this than you believe.

As H.L. Mencken put it, elections are advance auctions on stolen property. And that was ~50 years ago.

I call BS. If you were ever really planning on voting for a party other than Libertarian, I'd be shocked and awed.

But I don't even know if the LP will be around, as I said, voting for Bush would be an illusion at best.

[Ned]

Agathon, in your post you said that much of the world hated Bush but you did not say exactly why. Iraq is not the only reason is it?

Btw, the democrats in this country really hate Bush as well. The hate is visceral. That is why Dean got an initial bump. He tapped into the hate with his rage.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Well, he did once argue that 2+2 could be made to equal 5, so take that as you will.

As did many others in a thread I asked you to look at, but you never did . In fact I believe at least 3 or 4 people there said that based on the mathematical system 2+2 did not have to equal 4. I believe GePap may have been there.

I don't know about any other thread discussing it, but the bottom line in the initial thread was that your reasoning involved changing the definitions of the terms, which of course is a patently ludicrous way to argue.

[Berzerker]

Ned -

Berz, I don't fully understand your antipathy to Bush. You cite his spending, but because of it you are willing to vote for a party that wants to spend more?

If it was just between Kerry and Bush, I might vote for Kerry. Hopefully I'll have a libertarian to vote for. But I don't see any proof the Dems could outspend the GOP and Bush. Their spending makes the Clinton years, including when he had a Democrat Congress, look like a time of fiscal sanity.

Bush is a phenomenon. He is showing the Republican party a new ideology in "compassionate" conservatism. I frankly like it. The social safety net is important. We should expand it and support it to the extent we can afford it. At the same time, we need to be true to our beliefs that competition is necessary to keep quality up and prices low. Thus Republicans will introduce new programs with competition built in. Democrats will not. The difference is important.

Translation: The GOP strategy is to take away as many key Democrat issues as possible. Result, we get the usual Democrat spending in addition to the usual Republican spending.
Instead of a ~5% increase in government spending we get a ~10% increase. All those years the Repubs were whining about the Dems spending too much was just BS, they were really whining about not having more control over where our money ended up.

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by Agathon
If I were an American of any political leaning other than a fundamentalist warmonger I would elect anyone but Bush.

Or... you'll get called a "fundamentalist warmonger" and other rude names?

Glad to see you have such an open mind about differences in opinion.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


There is a bit of distortion here. It was 'widely reported' by the....BBC.

However the story was that in the case of a suicide attack, subsequently the Israeli Military would bulldoze the home of the family. Collective punishment.

Then Saddam Hussein (or some underling working in the foreign dept, fourth floor), would send a check to the family sounding 25.000.

These payments were however insignificant compared to the war reparations this selfsame underling had to pay to israeli cinema owners who during the first gulf War had suffered incurable losses due to the Scud Attacks, and the general interest in the war which kept people at home glued to their televison screens.

I would say that direct financial support to terrorists is fairly significant. Clear justification for the invasion.

And war reparations. Yeah, those are clearly justified.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Naturally the calls made it evident that Republicans would rather not prefer a man who had an 'illegitimate black child',

This is the state that elected Strom Thurmond for fifty years, right?

Just checking.