The GOP's Worst Nightmare

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by DanS
Washington DC runs on integrity. If you don't have it, you won't last long. I bet you guys have much less knowledge about this than you believe.

You can have personal integrity within a corrupt system. Once you get in you can't see out, your perspective is narrowed to see only one way. Looking at the outside from the inside.

On the outside, folks can only look in. So you have two extreme ends, like a long tube with people peering at each other. The truth is somewhere in the middle but we are too fat to fit in the tube.

Analogy of the day.

[Sprayber]

I wonder if Kerry speaks Chinese

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
I have been amazed by the folks here who think that a Bush-Kerry race will be competitive. But, and I hit myself on the side of the head when I realized this, from the perspective of the median poster here why shouldn't it be close.

The median poster here is young, more radical in their views than the public at large. We have a huge foreign voice here that the public at large never hears.

Few people here voted for Bush last time. People here have an axe to grind with Bush. Most people here are upset about the war. Most people in the public at large supported the war and will support the continued occupation of Iraq for at least another presidential term.

The political center, as defined by the majority here, would be found just off the left edge of the map being used by the American public.

Sure, you folks think Kerry has a chance. I think he better hold on to his senate seat.

JT

You underestimate the eroding confidence that folk like Berz and I have. I'm wouldn't consider myself young (more approaching middle years), consider myself fiscally conservative and as a consequence feel more than slightly betrayed by actions of Bush of late. Will it be enough for me to either a) throw away my vote to the libertarians or b) God forbid vote Dem? I can't say until more evidence in.

Your point about the leftist leaning in general of this forum is well taken, but more to the original intent of this thread conservatives are ticked as well.

Og

[DinoDoc]

Re: The GOP's Worst Nightmare

Originally posted by Berzerker
But Bush has cured me of any illusions of voting for him, the man signs spending bills like a liberal weenie.

I call BS. If you were ever really planning on voting for a party other than Libertarian, I'd be shocked and awed.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by MrFun


Just like you have an ax to grind with Northern Democrats??

Not at all. I am shopping for a candidate that I can support as I am not pleased with Bush. I am just pointing out that a northeasterner can't win in the south.

My issue is jobs and I would trust Edwards more than Kerry to really do something postive on that front.

[Docfeelgood]

hypocrits?hypercrits?


yall know what I mean

[GePap]

The number of people who think Bush should be re-elected are lower than the number of people who think he should not be re-elected.

There are polls out now that have Kerry ahead.

While a poll at this point is poor evidence at best, it is still some evidence that Bush is not particualrly popualr with anyhone outside his given base (where he is widely popular)

So the one not showing anything is you.

[DinoDoc]

I'm suprised anyone is actually paying close attention to polls this far out in the process. It's an eternity between now and the election. I'll grant you that Bush does need to work on those numbers though.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by jimmytrick


Not at all. I am shopping for a candidate that I can support as I am not pleased with Bush. I am just pointing out that a northeasterner can't win in the south.

My issue is jobs and I would trust Edwards more than Kerry to really do something postive on that front.

ok

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm suprised anyone is actually paying close attention to polls this far out in the process. It's an eternity between now and the election. I'll grant you that Bush does need to work on those numbers though.

The number for him when it comes to should be reelected, should not, have remianed the same, or gotten worse, for like 6 months. Even when Dean was the presumptive opponenet and bUsh was said to be winning by like 10 points, still more people said he should not be reelected than wanted him back.

Outside his core base, there isn;t much love for him.

[Shi Huangdi]

"There are polls out now that have Kerry ahead."

Yes, and polls at this time in Clinton and Reagan's first term that showed them fare behind and with far less in the way of approval ratings.

Kerry has his own weaknesses. He has an extremely liberal voting record, even on security issues, and he has taken a number of unpopular positions that won't be popular in the general election.

But more importantly, voters are prospective moreso then retrospective. Voters aren't go to base their selection on what the candidates were doing 30 years ago.

Remember, Bush defeated McCain, a Vietnam POW, even though at one time he was far behind him in the polls. And that was among the strongly pro-defense Republican primary electorate.

[Shi Huangdi]

Also keep in mind the 2002 GA Senate Race. Again in an electorate more likely to look favorably upon military service then the nation as a whole, voteres picked the candidate who took a stronger position on defense issues then the one who was a triple amputee.

Military Service is a nice plus for a candidate, but Kerry will be disappointed if he thinks it gives him a blank check to take whatever position he wants and still be seen as strong on Defense.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

Kerry has his own weaknesses. He has an extremely liberal voting record, even on security issues, and he has taken a number of unpopular positions that won't be popular in the general election.

But more importantly, voters are prospective moreso then retrospective. Voters aren't go to base their selection on what the candidates were doing 30 years ago.

Remember, Bush defeated McCain, a Vietnam POW, even though at one time he was far behind him in the polls. And that was among the strongly pro-defense Republican primary electorate.

A lot of things have happened since the 200 election- Bush has a record now as president (plus democract still remember the outocme of that election). And that Bush record has significant problems for which the electorate is more than willing to judge him on. Maybe they won;t judge on what happened 30 years aog, but they will certainly keep the last 4 years in mind.

[Docfeelgood]

A lot of things have happened since the 200 election- Bush has a record now as president (plus democract still remember the outocme of that election). And that Bush record has significant problems for which the electorate is more than willing to judge him on. Maybe they won;t judge on what happened 30 years aog, but they will certainly keep the last 4 years in mind.

bout sums it all up

[Boris Godunov]

Kerry's now in the WH's line of fire, so the dirt will keep coming, of course.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040205/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_big_dig_5

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/17337.htm