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    Something I have picked up on during the last week, on threads here and in RL, is the level of anti-intellectualism in this country.

    That is to say, people that attack or victimise intellectuals. The reasons for this are curious, I would guess a degree of intimidation, not to mention this countries reputation for matter-of-fact pragmatism that seems to exclude higher, educational concerns. There is also the history of class conflict, the generally less educated working classes perhaps being resentful to those, even in their own ranks, who enter a life where they use their minds instead of traditional working class values of "sticking together" and not putting your head above the parapet.

    In my own life I was bullied frequently at school for not being "one of the boys", so to speak. As a result, most of my friends, then and now, were female, where the situation was far better. Women tend ot accept me as an interesting person as opposed to someone who made sweet love to books every lunchtime.

    As an adult, one still comes up against a brick wall when you try to be outwardly intellectual. Most people will say "I do not understand", or rather, won't want to understand for the sake of their pragmatic concerns. I have no problem with that, as long as they dont pick up on anything vaguely polysyllabic and proclaim that they are not intellectuals thereof. What is worse are the people that attack or criticise you for being intellectual, that laugh at you for being philosophical or political. That goes for liberals and conservatives alike.

    Since this forum is very politically active, and taking a look at IQ threads many of us are above average, I suspect that many here have had similar experiences. How do we combat this unfortunate situation, since society needs intellectuals, people that know how to run a nation and the issues surrounding it, to change things, as well as making life a little more interesting than the daily drudgery that we see all around?
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    I was almost banned for talking about this.

    Just to warn you.
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    • #3
      Eh. We are just educated beyond our intelligence.
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      • #4
        Yeah, that sucks - but have you never seen intellectuals (or at least some who claim they are) bullying people who they see as stupid? Works both ways.....
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
          I was almost banned for talking about this.

          Just to warn you.


          I don't see why I would be banned. Everything here is perfectly above board.

          Yeah, that sucks - but have you never seen intellectuals (or at least some who claim they are) bullying people who they see as stupid? Works both ways.....
          You're right, I haven't seen intellectuals bullying people who are not.

          Incidentally, I do not equate intelligence to intellectual. Once can be highly intelligent as an intellectual, and equally intelligent as a bricklayer. The difference is in booksmarts I guess.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by BeBro
            Yeah, that sucks - but have you never seen intellectuals (or at least some who claim they are) bullying people who they see as stupid? Works both ways.....
            I have!

            Oh wait. Nevermind
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              • #8
                In my experience, a lot of people who are victims of anti-intellectualism are actually being victimized because they're so unbearably arrogant. It's not a matter of the common man fearing or hating (or whatever) everybody who's better than average in some way or another -- hell, we've got scores of magazines and television programs dedicated to talking about athletes and actors. Instead, it's a matter of intellectuals tending to equate intelligence with human worth, whereas athletes/actors seem to be less likely to explicitly/implicitly claim that they're inherently superior to everybody else just because they can hit a baseball or whatever. (They may want to be paid oodles of money just because they can hit a baseball, but that's different -- salary doesn't determine human worth any more than physical or intellectual prowess.) You never see an athlete maliciously cut a non-athlete down to size just because the non-athlete can't hit a baseball, but intellectuals are all too quick to dismiss the opinions of those who aren't Harvard educated (or whatever have you).

                I haven't been a victim of anti-intellectualism since about the seventh or eighth grade. Not coincidentally, it was in about the seventh or eighth grade that I finally pulled my head out of my ass and realized that being smart did not give me a license to be an *******.

                (Note that I don't mean to say that any or all of the intellectuals who post on this thread are arrogant sonsof*****es -- I mean to say that, even if you're the exception to the general rule, you're still going to be saddled with the stereotype of the snooty professor-type living in his ivory tower.)
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                  "That is to say, people that attack or victimise intellectuals."

                  "I was almost banned for talking about this.

                  Just to warn you."

                  Here we call the stupid people who victimise us, 'moderators'.
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                  • #10
                    I agree with what Loinburger said

                    Nothing is more annoying than someone who wants everyone know how smart they are.

                    Self-proclaimed "intellectuals" are usually the most annoying people you can come across.

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                    • #11
                      Well, we do have a game called I'm With Stupid...
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                      • #12
                        I also think that the tendency to try to diminish the term "intelligence" has everything to do with the arrogance of a lot of intellectuals -- it's a sort of back-door means of cutting them back down to size. Whenever somebody loudly proclaims "I am smart!", there're always at least a dozen people who're there to retort "Oh, but what does it mean to be smart?", and they will then proceed to list a hundred different theories on intelligence and they'll talk about how you can't really say that you're smart if you don't have this type of intelligence or that type of intelligence (e.g., you can't really say that you're "smart" if you don't have "kinesthetic intelligence" or "spatio-temporal intelligence" or "gobbledegook intelligence" or whatever). However, if somebody claims "I am a fast runner!", then you never get a dozen people who retort "Oh, but what does it mean to be a fast runner?", and who then go on to say that just because you're an Olympic-class athlete in the 100-meter dash you can't really say that you're a "fast runner" because, c'mon, you can't run the Marathon in world-record time, and you're not very good at hurdling, and a cheetah is still a faster sprinter than you, yada yada. This is again, I think, because when somebody loudly proclaims "I am smart!" we tend to hear an implicit claim of "I am a better human being than you are!" (probably because we've heard so many explicit claims like this in the past), but we don't hear the implicit "I am a better human being than you are!" when somebody says that they're a fast runner. It's another symptom of the same problem.
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                        • #13
                          In my experience, a lot of people who are victims of anti-intellectualism are actually being victimized because they're so unbearably arrogant.
                          True, but a quiet kid getting bullied in school?

                          At college, most of my friends say I'm not arrogant, but I still get aggrovation from numerous people because I read in the canteen, or contribute in lessons, or discuss philosophy with my friends.

                          Arrogance and "retaliatory intolerance" on the part of intellectuals doesn't help but there seems to be a predisposition of the non-intellectuals to attack those who are.

                          As for definition. "Self-proclaimed intellectuals". A difficult one. If you use your intellect for recreation or career, then, by definition it would seem, you are intellectual. Most of those who use their intellect need to relate to other intellects, through books or debates etc, otherwise we'd all end up like Kant .

                          Most intellectuals I know do not go around acting like they are superior, indeed I have an argument for us all being of equal intelligence. However, I and they do not suppress their individuality as a result, and have ceased to become ashamed of what they do, which they are perfectly within their rights to be doing. This intimidates others, and they often tar us all with the same brush of being arrogant. It just doesn't work.
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                          • #14
                            Poor opressed intellects
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                            • #15
                              this reminds me of the daily show they did on conservatives who thought they were oppressed.

                              I'm going to call john stewart, he can go interview u.

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