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Originally posted by TCO
There was an article and have been letters about it in USNI Proceedings.
There was an article and have been letters about it in USNI Proceedings.
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Who were the letters off? G.Khan and A.T.Hun?
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No, some have guns on the deck of the boat, lower down than the conning tower, they would have to surface to kill off the survivors in the boats and so risk detection. I doubt any sub commander would run that riskOriginally posted by Snotty
I thought some subs had machine guns on their conning tower. Did you mean like turrets or something?Comment
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I don't think the German camps were initially designed that way either, they decided to change the policy in the last years of the war. But I doubt they gave a damned about deaths in any case.Originally posted by Snotty
Afaik those camps were not designed to kill people. People did die of illness, but measures were taken to stop it.
Hitler actually admired the Brits and was disappointed when they declared war on him. That was not in his original plans.So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!Comment
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location is irrelevant.Originally posted by Snotty
I thought some subs had machine guns on their conning tower. Did you mean like turrets or something?Comment
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No, he wasn't- he was a journalist.Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
Wasn't he co-inventor of concentration camps in the Boer war? The Germans liked that invention.
Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915Comment
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Yeah, I misread the sentence. It what other ways has sub use changed?Safer worlds through superior firepowerComment
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Well then I guess that puts Adolf Hitler in the clear too...Originally posted by Frozzy
You can't put early 20th century issues into today's moral standards because they are incompatible.
The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.Comment
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Not at all, his actions were viewed as abhorrent AT THE TIME as well, Churchills were not.Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Well then I guess that puts Adolf Hitler in the clear too...
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So the same people appalled by Hitler's actions AT THE TIME we're polar opposite on their opinions of the henious suffer caused by the use of such weapons?Originally posted by reds4ever
Not at all, his actions were viewed as abhorrent AT THE TIME as well, Churchills were not.The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.Comment
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Don't put words in my mouth, dear fellowOriginally posted by DRoseDARs
So the same people appalled by Hitler's actions AT THE TIME we're polar opposite on their opinions of the henious suffer caused by the use of such weapons?
What I was TRYING to get across is that a man is a product of his time and should be judged accordingly.
Hitler was considered 'henious' at the time, Churchill was not.
No-one gives the Roman Generals too much criticism these days for the practise of 'decimating' their legions for acts of cowardice?
And to those who say 'the victor writes the history', I would say Churchill's legacy would have still remained intact even if Germany had of won, Stalin would have been the villian of the piece.Last edited by reds4ever; January 16, 2004, 21:23.Comment
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Why is it right to kill troops sleeping in bunks in a troopship and not in lifeboats? What if the lifeboats are headed to land where they can renegage the fight?Comment
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There was a time when the law of war required subs to surface and give warning. We kinda blow that off now.Originally posted by Snotty
Yeah, I misread the sentence. It what other ways has sub use changed?
Roland can write you a nice article on how the rules have changed over time.Comment
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Err. because they have surrendered? Subs are still bound under the GC in this situation?Originally posted by TCO
Why is it right to kill troops sleeping in bunks in a troopship and not in lifeboats? What if the lifeboats are headed to land where they can renegage the fight?
Anyway, if you are that close to their coastline/friendly vessel that they can re-engage (sp? no, not me ) Then a sub commander shouldn't reveal his position for the sake of sinking a lifeboat anyway!
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me havn't got (or are ever likely to have) some sort of command postion in one of the armed forces?
as for this statement:-
"There was a time when the law of war required subs to surface and give warning. We kinda blow that off now. "
-it's not big and it's not clever, stop trying to show off.Comment
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what is the showoff. It is common knowledge that the law of war has changed on subs. you asked for info and I gave you what i had.
As for the debate, regardless of your views, it is not as cut and dried as you think.Comment
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BTW, I haven't even advocated a position, you ****forbrains, buttlocked, kneejerk reactor. What I said was that there was debate.
And btw, what is your military command experience? And no, I have not held command. Need to be an O-5 on subs for that.Comment
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