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  • #31
    Originally posted by GePap


    Thankfully, you having an 88% means nothing to anyone else-everyone can have an 88% in class, if they work hard enough.
    Him having 88% does mean something to his classmates if the class is graded on a bell curve, where the success of other students directly affects one's own grade. There are always losers on an unmodified bell curve, as I'm sure you know.
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    • #32
      If we are in communism, there would not be such a thing that is called grade.

      You study because you want to learn. Period. No need to study for a grade. What an ideal world.

      /me dreams on.

      /me awakes.

      But what fun would there be? No 4.0 GPAs to show off to everybody.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by cinch


        Him having 88% does mean something to his classmates if the class is graded on a bell curve, where the success of other students directly affects one's own grade. There are always losers on an unmodified bell curve, as I'm sure you know.
        Only if one uses a bell curve. It is not necessary, and it is my experience you use it in classes where, without it, more people would fail than pass.
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        • #34
          So people that are naturally good at philosophy Templar, have something called talent in the subject. Same thing holds true for every job. Some people just find their niche, whatever it is, and do well because the enjoy it or are just blessed with the gift for it.

          Some people don't find their subject, or do but willingly try their hand at something else for whatever reasons. I don't know how many people I know who couldn't do math but struggled their way through an engineering degree because they wanted to be a pilot or an architect or whatever else. But what they couldn't make up for in talent, they made up for in hard work.

          There is no true correlation between economics and intellectual pursuits. Maybe a few interesting similarities but nothing concrete. Of course that would be the point of the original premise, why people feel the need to turn an innocent comment into a troll fest who knows.

          Is it necessarily fair that some people are more talented than others in an area? Probably not, but that's the way it is.
          Is it necessarily fair that some people start out with more finacial means than most? Probobly not, but that is the way it is.
          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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          • #35
            Re: Re: Communist Education?

            Originally posted by The Templar


            Spare us the strawman argument, dickhead.
            And you call him a dickhead

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            • #36
              Some of you need to lighten the **** up
              Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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              • #37
                Leave the bad trolls to CT

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                  The exception being that students who did the best were required to help struggling students.
                  The USSR is oppressing the smart, hard-working students! They are being enslaved to help their no-effort classmates!
                  meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Patroklos
                    So people that are naturally good at philosophy Templar, have something called talent in the subject. Same thing holds true for every job. Some people just find their niche, whatever it is, and do well because the enjoy it or are just blessed with the gift for it.

                    Some people don't find their subject, or do but willingly try their hand at something else for whatever reasons. I don't know how many people I know who couldn't do math but struggled their way through an engineering degree because they wanted to be a pilot or an architect or whatever else. But what they couldn't make up for in talent, they made up for in hard work.
                    Again, the point I was making is that grades measure mastery of a subject (ideally) - not how that mastery is achieved. Yes, talent can compensate for a lack of work (and vice versa). The reason why I was making this point was to demonstrate that there is no proper analogy to be made between redistributing wealth and imposing a single grade on all. The difference is between distribution and measurement of resources. I assume sucessful communism would require accurate measurements of resources. The issue in leveling grades would be inaccuracy - not "stealing what has been earned".

                    Is it necessarily fair that some people start out with more finacial means than most? Probobly not, but that is the way it is.
                    But wealth is a strictly social creation (subject to the amount of actual existing resources). As such, there is no "natural" conception of how to divvy it up. Thus when a social justice argument is brought against an actual distribution there is no naturalistic defense to be made in favor of the existing distribution. I might argue that inheritance is in no way a fair method for determining distribution (the recipient has no labor based claim to the wealth for instance). Given that we know how to redistribute wealth - doing so is a possibility.

                    I have no idea how to distribute talent - I don't even know if talent does have a biologicla basis or is entirely a function of environment. If I could distribute talent equally, there might be an argument to do so.

                    In other words - inequity in the distribution of wealth may be addressed, whereas talent inequity cannot (at this point in time).
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by skywalker
                      Leave the bad trolls to CT
                      Yeah, ****face. This ****ing troll is so ****ing bad.
                      God, I hate all you dickheads!!!!

                      Some people here are overreacting a tad....
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                      • #41
                        Actually, I figured the language filter would have caught 'dickhead'.
                        - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
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                        • #42
                          Your right, if talent is inate and not a product of enviroment, which inherited wealth always is, then their is no means to distribute "talent."

                          Thats why I never liked labs that were given a group grade. Sometimes I recieved a good grade solely because my partner happened to good at this particular lesson, or visa versa. Gives no accurate gauge of my or anyone elses ability. Then you have the people that slack ass knowing that the others will make up for it anyways so THEY don't get a bad grade. Some teachers I know let the group rate each other, but still that can be subjective, and I pay the educated expert teacher to rate me, not my peers.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Patroklos
                            I don't know how many people I know who couldn't do math but struggled their way through an engineering degree because they wanted to be a pilot or an architect or whatever else. But what they couldn't make up for in talent, they made up for in hard work.
                            Screw hard work. The whole point of communism is so that we won't have to work so hard anymore.

                            And Templar is right on the money. Grades are a way of measuring the greatest way to use a resource.
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                            • #44
                              The whole point of communism is so that we won't have to work so hard anymore
                              Supposedly....
                              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by HongHu
                                If we are in communism, there would not be such a thing that is called grade.

                                You study because you want to learn. Period. No need to study for a grade. What an ideal world.

                                * HongHu dreams on.

                                * HongHu awakes.
                                Oh wow.

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