Do we need to change the way we live?

[child of Thor]

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Not that any of this surprises me, i knew it all instinctivly from the age of ten, over 15 years ago

[FrostyBoy]

And what exactly would this change be?

[Jac de Molay]

Strange. Not even 30 years ago, they said the world was cooling. Wish they could make up their minds

[DanS]

Let the good times roll.

[FrostyBoy]

Actually, I have some idea.

First of all, we have to stop spreading outwards, and start spreading upwards. I am talking about our cities. This will give room for nature to grow and grow strong.

We need to stop agriculture from taking over too much of the land. All polluting factories must be rebuilt, they must be clean running factories. Factories that have no choice but to pollute, (aluminium melting? etc) should not be in the city, they should be far from the city, far from farmland, and surrounded by fast growing tree's - thousands of them.

All cars must stop using petrol, they must all go the solar power or electricity path. You will no longer be allowed to make or sell petrol driven automobiles. Gas Stations will have to provide a service for recharging the car.

It must be illegal to light open fires in all homes around the world, you must either get another source of heat or get an efficient wood burner that doesn't pollute ( or rather burns its own pollution).

If you are caught hunting endangered animals, you will be placed in jail for life - without a doubt. Hunting must become one of the world's most heaviest crimes.

Deforestation must stop. It must become illegal worldwide. Foresters will only be allowed to grow and cut their own forest plantations.

GM Foods are going to be here with us, so we may aswell accept it, but GM Foods must be grown in sealed off areas, they must have impossible contact with natural grown foods. But ultimately, don't grow GM foods at all.

Fixing the Earth now, should be every countries top priority, once we know Earth is no longer in danger, we can start on the other smaller problems, like Space Travel, Famine and Terrorism.

[:) Smiley]

Well technically it's not so much that Americans need to change the way they live as that other people need to stop copying. But since that's not gonna happen...

[FrostyBoy]

The only country that really WANTS to copy America is foolish Australia.

[Jac de Molay]

That article is complete bunk

Here's a few of my favorites....

We are losing species we do not know exist, which could be vital to our survival.

If they don't know whether they exist or not..how do we know we're actually losing them? And besides that, I'd wager we're discovering new species close to the rate that they're becoming extinct.

I talked to another whose research has convinced him there may be only 20,000 lions left in the whole of Africa.

Yeah? So what? Lions are big and scary and have teeth and want to eat you. Ask somebody living in the bush if more lions are needed.

Similarly, the evidence that human activities are intensifying natural climate change is impressive, and hardening.

What evidence? You essentially have two completely independent sets of data or "evidence", and there is pretty much nothing to suggest that one is causing the other.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Sn00py
Actually, I have some idea.

First of all, we have to stop spreading outwards, and start spreading upwards. I am talking about our cities. This will give room for nature to grow and grow strong.

We need to stop agriculture from taking over too much of the land. All polluting factories must be rebuilt, they must be clean running factories. Factories that have no choice but to pollute, (aluminium melting? etc) should not be in the city, they should be far from the city, far from farmland, and surrounded by fast growing tree's - thousands of them.

All cars must stop using petrol, they must all go the solar power or electricity path. You will no longer be allowed to make or sell petrol driven automobiles. Gas Stations will have to provide a service for recharging the car.

It must be illegal to light open fires in all homes around the world, you must either get another source of heat or get an efficient wood burner that doesn't pollute ( or rather burns its own pollution).

If you are caught hunting endangered animals, you will be placed in jail for life - without a doubt. Hunting must become one of the world's most heaviest crimes.

Deforestation must stop. It must become illegal worldwide. Foresters will only be allowed to grow and cut their own forest plantations.

GM Foods are going to be here with us, so we may aswell accept it, but GM Foods must be grown in sealed off areas, they must have impossible contact with natural grown foods. But ultimately, don't grow GM foods at all.

Fixing the Earth now, should be every countries top priority, once we know Earth is no longer in danger, we can start on the other smaller problems, like Space Travel, Famine and Terrorism.

Yes that would be one way for sure.............are we ready to live like that?

Another way would be to do away with everything that came during and after the industrial revolution.
We would need for disease and illness to play its course in a world without penicillin or anti-biotics(although the organisms are fighting back at the mo).
We would have to walk everywhere(or swim/ride an animal).
The fit and healthy would survive.
Computers would be returned to the hell that spawned them
etc.

Like some old Star Trek episode with Kirk finding a 'primitve' world.........

he he! I wouldn't mind living like that actually

I guess the 'answer' for me is something like that or as DanS said, what happens happens - get ready for it(I think that's what he meant ).

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Extinction is a natural process that goes hand-in-hand with evolution. The most environmentally-disastrous policy I can think of would be to attempt to place a glass dome over nature and prevent any more extinctions.

Let's start with the Pandas. Bamboo-munching bastards.

[child of Thor]

In a way this ties in with the stuff on going to Mars(in the other threads) - maybe we wont need to because we are actually on our way to creating our own Mars here?
Its easy to dismiss the destruction of species as part of the normal process of evolution, its when we accelerate this 'natural' process that we really should worry more.

We are not technically advanced enough yet to survive in our world without nature doing its thing, so as far as i see it(maybe not far some might say) we are just speeding ourselves to our doom.

Which isnt a bad thing as a normal part of this 'doom' thing would i guess be mass death first, but not on a species extinction level. We will die in our billions, but some will survive.
I'm not too worried as i've insured myself as much as i can, in that i can grow food pretty well, can raise animals, hunt/fish and survive in many types of enviroment(I've travelled alot).
Still as i said i was aware of stuff from a young age, so i've spent most of my life getting ready for such a thing, it was a strong hunch.

The article itself isn't really the issue here i was getting at.
Its more if YOU(and your children) think you are ready to not be one of the millions doomed to die as we slide merrily along our present chosen path?

[OliverFA]

As Jac De Molay wisely points those "evidences" are Evidences of Nothing. There are documented facts in history that shows that the Earth in pre-industrial revolution times had changes in temperature. The ice ages, the green lands of Greenland (I always knew it must had this names for some reason!), the light clothes of the Roman Empire epoch, and many more.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Jac de Molay


If they don't know whether they exist or not..how do we know we're actually losing them?

Answer:

I'd wager we're discovering new species close to the rate that they're becoming extinct.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

One single volcano could have a greater impact than 200 years of global warming

[RGBVideo]

Posters in ACS OT are not the brightest in the bunch, I see.