The Hare Krishna Saint Tortured And Poisoned To Death By His Judas Disciples

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Moti
GEORGE HARRISON (EX BEATLE) SPEAKS ABOUT THE HARE KRISHNA SAINT. (PRABHUPADA)

Don't you mean George Harrison (ex person)?

I think we can safely say he's extinct.

Are you channeling him from beyond? Perhaps you could get him to write a song, you might make some money.

[Moti]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Don't you mean George Harrison (ex person)?

I think we can safely say he's extinct.

Are you channeling him from beyond? Perhaps you could get him to write a song, you might make some money.

We can safely say your spiritual intelligence is lost at this time:

TRANSLATION

As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.

PURPORT

Change of body by the atomic individual soul is an accepted fact. Even some of the modern scientists who do not believe in the existence of the soul, but at the same time cannot explain the source of energy from the heart, have to accept continuous changes of body which appear from childhood to boyhood and from boyhood to youth and again from youth to old age. From old age, the change is transferred to another body. This has already been explained in the previous verse.
Transference of the atomic individual soul to another body is made possible by the grace of the Supersoul. The Supersoul fulfills the desire of the atomic soul as one friend fulfills the desire of another. The Vedas, like the Mundaka Upanisad, as well as the Svetasvatara Upanisad, compare the soul and the Supersoul to two friendly birds sitting on the same tree. One of the birds (the individual atomic soul) is eating the fruit of the tree, and the other bird (Krsna) is simply watching His friend. Of these two birds--although they are the same in quality--one is captivated by the fruits of the material tree, while the other is simply witnessing the activities of His friend. Krsna is the witnessing bird, and Arjuna is the eating bird. Although they are friends, one is still the master and the other is the servant. Forgetfulness of this relationship by the atomic soul is the cause of one's changing his position from one tree to another or from one body to another. The jiva soul is struggling very hard on the tree of the material body, but as soon as he agrees to accept the other bird as the supreme spiritual master--as Arjuna agreed to do by voluntary surrender unto Krsna for instruction--the subordinate bird immediately becomes free from all lamentations. Both the Katha Upanisad and Svetasvatara Upanisad confirm this:

samane vrkse puruso nimagno
'nisaya socati muhyamanah
justam yada pasyaty anyam isam asya
mahimanam iti vita-sokah

"Although the two birds are in the same tree, the eating bird is fully engrossed with anxiety and moroseness as the enjoyer of the fruits of the tree. But if in some way or other he turns his face to his friend who is the Lord and knows His glories--at once the suffering bird becomes free from all anxieties." Arjuna has now turned his face towards his eternal friend, Krsna, and is understanding the Bhagavad-gita from Him. And thus, hearing from Krsna, he can understand the supreme glories of the Lord and be free from lamentation.
Arjuna is advised herewith by the Lord not to lament for the bodily change of his old grandfather and his teacher. He should rather be happy to kill their bodies in the righteous fight so that they may be cleansed at once of all reactions from various bodily activities. One who lays down his life on the sacrificial altar, or in the proper battlefield, is at once cleansed of bodily reactions and promoted to a higher status of life. So there was no cause for Arjuna's lamentation.

[Prabhupada from Bhagavad-gita 2.22]

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[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Moti



We can safely say your spiritual intelligence is lost at this time:

Mmm, no, I don't think so, but I am missing a biography of James Baldwin that I left on the eastbound District Line in London about six years' ago, and some amounts of small change here and there.

Perhaps they're way down upon the Swami river, what'd'ya reckon?

'Swami, how I love ya, how I love ya, my dear old Swami....I'd walk a million miles for one of your parables, my dear old Swami.'

I'm not sure, but I think I channeled that from either George Harrison or possibly an avatar of Krishna. It should be sung to the accompaniment of the veena and to the tune of 'Swannee River'.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Moti
but at the same time cannot explain the source of energy from the heart

What century are you in, Moti?

[Moti]

SRILA PRABHUPADA SPEAKS

ABOUT THE HARE KRISHNA CHILDREN



The important matter is that the

children are taken care of nicely

The important matter is that the children are taken care of nicely. Bhavananda was talking with me that in New Vrindaban students were very much neglected. Therefore they were immediately transferred to New York. Every parent wants to see that their children are taken care of very nicely. That is the first duty. If they are not healthy then how they can prosecute their education? If they are undernourished it is not good for their future activities. They must have sufficient quantity of milk and then dhal, capatis, vegetables, and a little fruit will keep them always fit. There is no need of luxurious fatty foods but milk is essential. A big building is also very good for the children's health. They can move freely and run and jump.

[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Satsvarupa Nairobi 9 October, 1971]



These children are given to us by Krishna, they are

Vaisnavas and we must be very careful to protect them.

My dear Arundhati, Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated July 19, 1972, and I am simply surprised that you want to give up your child to some other persons, even they are also devotees. For you, child-worship is more important than deity-worship. If you cannot spend time with him, then stop the duties of pujari. At least you must take good care of your son until he is four years old, and if after that time you are unable any more to take care of him then I shall take care. These children are given to us by Krishna, they are Vaisnavas and we must be very careful to protect them. These are not ordinary children, they are Vaikuntha children, and we are very fortunate we can give them chance to advance further in Krishna Consciousness. That is very great responsibility, do not neglect it or be confused. Your duty is very clear. Hoping this will meet you in good health. Your ever well-wisher, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami.

[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Arundhati Amsterdam 30 July, 1972]



Forcing will not make me agree. But if there is

love, oh, I shall gladly do it. That is bhakti,

that is Krishna Consciousness.

I am very glad to learn that the children at Gurukula school are making good progress in their Krishna Consciousness education, that is very good news. Yes, if we simply train them properly they will come out just to the highest standard of Vaisnava devotee. And what is that training? Simply they should be engaged in such a way that they are somehow or other remembering Krishna at every moment, that's all. It is not something mechanical process, if we force in such a way they will come out like this, no. We are persons, and Krishna is a Person, and our relationship with Krishna He leaves open as a voluntary agreement always, and that voluntary attitude--Yes, Krishna, I shall gladly co-operate whatever you say--that ready willingness to obey is only possible if there is love. Forcing will not make me agree. But if there is love, oh, I shall gladly do it. That is bhakti, that is Krishna Consciousness. So similarly, if we train children by developing and encouraging their propensity to love Krishna, then we shall be successful in educating them to the topmost standard. Then they shall always very happily agree to do whatever you ask them. So I have heard that there as been some beating with sticks on the children. Of course I do not know, but that should not be. You may show the stick, threaten, but better art is to somehow or other, even by tricking them, avoid this matter of force and induce them to obey out of loving spirit. That is success of disciplinary method. Hoping this meets you in good health. Your ever well-wisher, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami.

[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Rupa Vilasa Hyderabad 18 November, 1972]



If we want them to become great devotees, then we must

educate the children with love, not in a negative way.

Regarding your question should force be used on children, no, there shall be no forcing the children to do anything. Child should not be forced. This is all nonsense. Who has devised these things? If we want them to become great devotees, then we must educate the children with love, not in a negative way. Of course, if they become naughty we may show the stick but we should never use it. Child is nonsense, so you can trick him to obey you by making some little story and the child will become cheated in the proper behavior. But never apply force, especially to his chanting and other matters of spiritual training. That will spoil him and in the future he will not like to do it if he forced.

[S.rila Prabhupada Letter to: Brahmanya Tirtha Ahmedabad 10 December 1972]



Now the thing is, children should not

be beaten at all, that I have told.

Now the thing is, children should not be beaten at all, that I have told. They should simply be shown the stick strongly. So if one cannot manage in that way then he is not fit as teacher. If a child is trained properly in Krishna Consciousness, he will never go away. That means he must have two things, love and education. So if there is beating of child, that will be difficult for him to accept in loving spirit, and when he is old enough he may want to go away--that is the danger. So why these things are going on _ marching and chanting japa, insufficient milk, too strict enforcement of time schedules, hitting the small children? Why these things are being imposed? Why they are inventing these such new things like marching and japa like army? What can I do from such a distant place? They should run and play when they are small children, not forced to chant japa, that is not the way. So I have given you the guiding principles, it is not that I must be consulted with every small detail, that is the business of the in-charge, but if no one is there who can manage in the right way, what can I do? Now if you have got the right idea how to do it, you may go there again and take some responsible post for correcting the situation, that will be your real duty, not that there is some disagreement and I go away disgusted, no. That is not Vaisnava standard. Standard should be that, never mind there is some difficulty, my spiritual master has ordered me to do like this, now let me do it, that's all.

[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Bhanutanya Hyderabad 18 November, 1972]



These children are the future hope of our Society

Now I am concerned that the Gurukula experiment should come out nicely. These children are the future hope of our Society, so it is a very important matter how we are training them in Krishna consciousness from the very childhood.

[S.P. Letter to: Satsvarupa, New York 11 April, 1973]



Gurukula is our most important project. If the children are given a Krsna Conscious education from early childhood then there is great hope for the future of the world.

[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Dayananda, Nandarani Calcutta 27 January, 1973]



The children of our devotees may live with their parents

perpetually because you are all living in the temple

and already engaged in devotional service.

So far your son leaving you, his parents, at 5 years, that is not necessary. Especially our Krishna Conscious children; they are already living in a asrama. The children of our devotees may live with their parents perpetually because you are all living in the temple and already engaged in devotional service. Other instructions are for those not engaged in Krishna Consciousness. Any family engaged in Krishna's service is living not in this material world. Such a home is considered as Vaikuntha. [the spiritual world] That is the verdict of Bhaktivinode Thakura.

[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Indira London 15 August, 1971]

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Sweet, CivNation became a Hindu.

[Bosh]

all of this talk of swami is making me think of shwerma, sweet sweet glorius shwerma...

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silly Boshko, thats a burrito

[Urban Ranger]

Too bad this thread isn't going anywhere.