America did NOT capture Saddam Hussein...

[Pekka]

Oncle Boris, well if they are silent about it, it was big enough reward

[Kingof the Apes]

If the Kurds actually did catch him, it's a surprise he's still alive. I don't believe they hold him in very high regard, and wouldn't you still get the reward if you produced a corpse?

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Kingof the Apes
If the Kurds actually did catch him, it's a surprise he's still alive. I don't believe they hold him in very high regard, and wouldn't you still get the reward if you produced a corpse?

Ah yes. The Kurds are simply primitive savages and heathens too. Simply incapable of spotting a good political opportunity when it falls into their turban.

[Pekka]

Tripledoc, well, the US (or whoever) has captured many key players. You can see the deck, and it has only few players out there but they are being hunt down as we speak relentesly by the US soldiers and the coalition forces. Not all of them are dead either, they have live prisoners.

They are making their case also, but now is the time when they acutally get to speak with Iraqi citizens who wouldn't talk earlier because of the fear of Saddam being back. Now he's not coming back, so people are more open and talkative, helping to gather the evidence.

Furthermore, you don't need 100% evidence to capture a person. It's enough that you suspect the person and have some backing up. That's why his is captured and not tried at the same moment of his capture. They're building the case, which is strong I'm sure. If Saddam is not guilty, I'm sure he has nothing to worry about.

And yes, following orders is not enough if you know what you're doing is crime, you are as guilty as you can be.. well at least in front of your military justice, I think this goes for international ones as well. I think it's common sense.

Would it be enough to invade? This war is about lot of things not just Saddam. It was also about the WMD, which is a subject we touch and this thread goes ballistics.
I wish, that someone in Europe would have figured it out earlier what kind of a man with a plan Hitler was, so we could have taken him out as well. Who knows, only thing I can say for sure is that if Saddam was not ousted, he'd be oppressing like a mofo and there would be LOTS of bodies every year. When he would eventually die, his sons would have taken over and we know what kind of animals they were, executing people right and left if they felt like it. Or at least the other one.

[Kingof the Apes]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Ah yes. The Kurds are simply primitive savages and heathens too. Simply incapable of spotting a good political opportunity when it falls into their turban.

Saddam was the Kurd's archenemy, their equivelant to America's Osama.
If a bunch of Americans had captured Osama, do you think he would be alive, or in good shape?

[Sava]

Originally posted by skywalker
despite all you deny it, you are a democrat (don't give us the "I hate Clinton too" crap). You consistently troll ONLY right-wingers.

fine... but if you believe I'm a democrat, you = wrong...

I troll mostly "right wingers" because most of their views come in conflict with my own... yes, I agree MORE with some Democrats, but that party is crap. There aren't two political ideologies in the whole world you know, boy. When (I would say if, but you seem like a promising, potentially intelligent individual) you go to college, and learn a thing or two about history, politics, and social sciences, you will understand me a little more.

But there are "right wingers" I can respect and agree to disagree with... like John McCain and pre-"I'm a neo-con *****"-Colin Powell.

On the political spectrum www.politicalspectrum.org, I'm moderately economically left (about -5 to -4) and socially libertarian (-6 to -5). That puts me in direct conflict with economically right wing and socially authoritarian people... like Bush, Hitler, Reagan, Thatcher, etc... but I also don't agree with the majority of the Democratic Party. Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards, Gephardt, Braun, Clark, and EVEN DEAN... but I'm going for Dean because he (and Clark) are the only ones going after the Bush admin about Iraq (and they didn't enable Bush like the Washington Democratic establishment candidates **except Kucinich).

So skywalker, don't insult yourself by jumping to false conclusions about my political affiliations or my "ideology". I do follow an ideology... the Sava ideology. Probably nobody else on the planet would agree 100% with me...

and for the record, I troll mostly dishonest, corrupt, pieces of ****... which the Republican party has MORE of than the Democrats. But don't mistake hating most Republicans for adoring Democrats.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kingof the Apes

Saddam was the Kurd's archenemy, their equivelant to America's Osama.
If a bunch of Americans had captured Osama, do you think he would be alive, or in good shape?

Saddam looked in good shape to you?

plus, you don't know jack**** about the Kurdish culture... perhaps they actually respect the idea of justice and due process... or maybe they recognized that the same Americans who claim to be "liberators" are also the same Americans who gave Saddam chemical weapons, and maybe they wouldn't hurt Saddam out of fear that the US would kick the **** outta them... just a thought...

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Kingof the Apes

Saddam was the Kurd's archenemy, their equivelant to America's Osama.
If a bunch of Americans had captured Osama, do you think he would be alive, or in good shape?

Probably in better shape than if the Taliban caught Bush.

[Pekka]

Tripledoc, @ surrealism in your sig..

[Kingof the Apes]

Originally posted by Sava
Saddam looked in good shape to you?

Well, he looked about what I would expect of someone sleeping in an underground pit.

plus, you don't know jack**** about the Kurdish culture...

Do you?

perhaps they actually respect the idea of justice and due process... or maybe they recognized that the same Americans who claim to be "liberators" are also the same Americans who gave Saddam chemical weapons, and maybe they wouldn't hurt Saddam out of fear that the US would kick the **** outta them... just a thought...

The US offered a reward for Saddam alive or dead... He is definately of more use alive, but obtaining his corpse would have still caused much jubilation.
As for the Kurds resenting the US for supplying gas, that is ridiculous. When the US invaded, the Kurds welcomed coalition troops, and worked with special ops in the north. The rebalancing of powers in Iraq has been to their advantage; their lot has improved. It would be completely idiotic for the US to 'kick the ****' out of the group that has so far been the most receptive toward the invasion.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kingof the Apes
Do you?

I'm not making assumptions about what the Kurds would or wouldn't have done to him.

The US offered a reward for Saddam alive or dead... He is definately of more use alive, but obtaining his corpse would have still caused much jubilation.
As for the Kurds resenting the US for supplying gas, that is ridiculous. When the US invaded, the Kurds welcomed coalition troops, and worked with special ops in the north. The rebalancing of powers in Iraq has been to their advantage; their lot has improved. It would be completely idiotic for the US to 'kick the ****' out of the group that has so far been the most receptive toward the invasion.

you never know what a bunch of ignorant, third world peoples are going to think no offense to Kurds

[East Street Trader]

Have I understood this?

That is, no dispute that US troops effected the actual arrest but they were able to do so because an organisation of Kurds told them where he was and secured the area in the meantime?

If so the attempt to generate scandal seems particularly desperate.

I am no lover of politicians but in recent years the army of people who go to any lengths to provide yet another collumn inch irritate even more.

[TCO]

Sava, shouldn't you be wearing a tinfoil hat, hanging out at Ruby Ridge and protesting the butterfly ballot?

[SlowwHand]

In a related story, Sava didn't get a brain for Christmas.

[Spiffor]

TCO, Sloww:
Would it be impossible that the Kurds did find Saddam first, IYO?