Cacelled Flights, and "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporar..."

[Solly]

Many of the Americans on this board are known to liberally quote the following in many different arguments:

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security

(Benjamin Franklin)

By cancelling those flights with a suspected risk to security, aren't we doing the exact thing Franklin warned about - giving up a liberty in the name of security?

I've never been too keen on the quote myself, but several here seem to be. I'm just wondering how you square both the quote and the cancellation of flights. Should all flights go ahead, regardless?

[Theben]

It's been updated. 'Those would would give up convenience for liberty or security, are pissing off the rest of us'.

[KrazyHorse]

Airspace is subject to government regulation for safety and security purposes.

So what's the essential liberty here?

[KrazyHorse]

Thread number 1498 in Boddington's continuing fuzzy logic saga.

[Solly]

So what's the essential liberty here?

Freedom to travel isn't an essential liberty?

What is?

[KrazyHorse]

Freedom to travel is certainly an essential liberty. Freedom to pass through US sovereign airspace is not.

[KrazyHorse]

It's like saying freedom to travel is an essential liberty therefore I should be able to cut through Army bases on my way to work.

[Solly]

Freedom to travel is certainly an essential liberty. Freedom to pass through US sovereign airspace is not.

It's like saying freedom to travel is an essential liberty therefore I should be able to cut through Army bases on my way to work.

So at the moment we're still stuck on what liberties are essential and which are not.

I'm pretty sure we'll soon get to the point - if Floyd arrives - where we realise the only essential liberty is holding a gun.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
I'm pretty sure we'll soon get to the point - if Floyd arrives - where we realise the only essential liberty is holding a gun.

And owning private property.

[C0ckney]

nice to see UR finally accepting that ownership of private property is essential

bods, you are getting confused here, a right to travel is an essential right, but the right to use a BA (or any other airline's) plane is not. if you have your own plane then you are perfectly free to make any journey you desire.

your liberty is hardly being infringed by a company cancling a flight. it's like saying that your right to own property is infringed because a company decides to stop making a particular product.

[BeBMan]

I also would say that is doesn´t mean "to give up essential freedoms" when they cancel certain flights for security reasons. That doesn´t mean the people who will fly to a certain destination can never do so. They can probably very soon, with the next flights.

"To give up" would mean that they say "flying has become too dangerous because of potential attacks, so let´s stop all air travel once and for all".

[The diplomat]

Liberty isn't much good if you are dead, is it? After all, you have to be alive to enjoy freedom.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by C0ckney
nice to see UR finally accepting that ownership of private property is essential

Sorry to confuse you. I meant David Floyd would hold that owning private property is essential.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by C0ckney
bods, you are getting confused here, a right to travel is an essential right, but the right to use a BA (or any other airline's) plane is not. if you have your own plane then you are perfectly free to make any journey you desire.

No, you aren't. I'm pretty sure that even in the UK, the use of private planes is subject to the aviation authority, so you have to use specified flight paths, submit flight plans for approval, etc.

And no, Bodds, the ability to fly anywhere without inconvenience isn't an essential liberty.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
No, you aren't. I'm pretty sure that even in the UK, the use of private planes is subject to the aviation authority, so you have to use specified flight paths, submit flight plans for approval, etc.

well i thought that went without saying