Death to France!

[DanS]

Well, this thread has morphed into something that I didn't intend -- a thread concerning whether or not France should follow through on this policy.

Anyway, I guess while we're at it , the BBC brought up the question of what the Sikhs are going to do. Are they not going to be able to wear their turbans?

[Pax]

Most Arab states are Muslim states and intolerant. Not multi cultural. France at some point has depicted herself as multicultural and tolerant. If this is true then religous freedon should be allowed. The case is that France like most European States is Christian oriented with pretense at accepting other races and religions. This law effects not only Muslims but other non-christians.
If there is a problem with women being raped or beaten then that should be addressed either with laws in place or new laws to protect women.
We need not have laws that are designed to make others lose their cultural identity. To be more French, more American. We need to accept the differences in eachother and learn to work together no matter what race, creed, or religion.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Sorry Tamerlin.

I did not intend to be anti-French.

No problem!

My concern is that you cannot see the shoe being on the other foot. Suppose the religious people who feel oppressed come into power again. Would they not be justified in restoring all the religious symbolism erased by the atheists?

First they would have to win an election, which is highly unlikely, and then they would have to change the Constitution. Then, I don't think I would stay in a country, including mine, ruled by a religious power... whatever the god behind the said power.

So why must restoring religous expression imply deafness?

"Better to hear that than being deaf" is a French colloquialism, it is used when someone is saying something a bit "weird" ( ). It means that it is finally nothing if you compare it with more serious things. The French sentence is: "Mieux vaut entendre ça que d'être sourd".

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by skywalker


A $100,000,000 salary for a female businesswoman in an Islamic country?!

I said contact between two companies to do bussien together not hireing worker. The female bussienwoman will get than 5% bonus of 5 million dollar. There is no just thing as than employment contact anymore. I should know in all the wharehouse job I never have to sign one.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
Most Arab states are Muslim states and intolerant. Not multi cultural. France at some point has depicted herself as multicultural and tolerant. If this is true then religous freedon should be allowed. The case is that France like most European States is Christian oriented with pretense at accepting other races and religions. This law effects not only Muslims but other non-christians.
If there is a problem with women being raped or beaten then that should be addressed either with laws in place or new laws to protect women.
We need not have laws that are designed to make others lose their cultural identity. To be more French, more American. We need to accept the differences in eachother and learn to work together no matter what race, creed, or religion.

Most Arab states are multi cultural and tolerant, they just donot like western with they attitude telling than what to do. When Ike was president the King of Saudi Arabia has than America Citz whip 50 times for manufactoring in Saudi Arabia alcohol for himself to drink. He was warming afew time by the Saudi government to not do so, he was warm by the America goverment to not do so as it is against Saudi Law which carry the death sentence. When he went to America government to complaint about how he was treated, he got no symathic from our Independence government back them not the Israel control vassal state we became. So you believe that Saudi Arabia was intolerant
for enforcement they laws. Now our Israel control puppet government would act entire different today we would be telling Saudi Arabia to not enforce they intolerant laws.

[CharlesBHoff]

Guess you are going to have than hard time finding than nation that have no religion at all, all nations have religion even not beliveing in God is than religion.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
... even not beliveing in God is than religion.

Let me tell you I don't agree with this dubious theory.

[Ned]

Tamerlin, if religion is defined as faith unsupported by evidence, a belief in a creator of the heavens and the earth as monothesim, what is believing that there is no creator?

[MrFun]

It's called atheism Ned, and AFAIK, atheists do not claim to be adhering to any faith.

[Ned]

MrFun, it depends on your definitions, does it not? How can anyone affirm that God does NOT exist without faith?

[Tamerlin]

Religion is defined like this in Le Robert (a reference in the French language):

Religion: acknowledgement by the human being of a higher principle from which his destiny depends ; intellectual and moral behavior resulting from this acknowledgement.

Atheism can thus not be considered as a religion...

[Ned]

Tamerlin, it all depends on how you define it. It appears that Charles and I define it differently that you do, not that your definition is incorrect.

[Tamerlin]

The problem is not what your definition is but what is the definition of religion.

Atheism can not be considered as a religion simply because the non existence of god can not be proved... it is way too easy.

What bothers me a lot is that most of the people who say that atheism is a religion are actually believers themselves as if it were their ultimate defense. Those that have the faith do not have to defend themselves of anything, they believe and that's all... at least that is enough for me.

[Ned]

Tamerlin, the only "rational" position is that there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other. If you begin to adopt positions that are not based on evidence, you are extending yourself into "faith."

[Dinner]

Dispite what a few female Uncle Tom's say the vial is just another way which men attempt to repress women. It is a truly barbaric & demeaning practice and I applaud the French for ending that repression.