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  • #46
    Originally posted by Ned
    Spiffor, but this issue of the head scarf appears to be a genuine issue among the people of Islamic faith. France has no authority to decide the issue one way or the other.
    France has every authority it wants to decide what happens in its public schools. If the French government imposed the Pink Unicorn Cult at school despite the hot theological debates on the issue, it would have all authority to do so. If the French government wanted to force pupils to wear "kick me" T-shirts, it would have the whole authority to do so.

    No matter what you think of the issue, the authority on French public schools is in the hands of the French government, and not in the hands of religious wackos in Tehran.
    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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    • #47
      France doesn't have every authorithy. If the Court of Justice finds France violates the European Convention on Human Rights, the French authorithies can go to hell with their opinions.
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      • #48
        Spiffor, of course. And if France wanted to round up little Islamic girls wearing head scarves and sell them into slavery, it would have every right to do so because France is all powerful within its borders and no one, especially the stupid Iranians, have a right to complain about French actions within its own borders.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Spiffor

          France has every authority it wants to decide what happens in its public schools. If the French government imposed the Pink Unicorn Cult at school despite the hot theological debates on the issue, it would have all authority to do so. If the French government wanted to force pupils to wear "kick me" T-shirts, it would have the whole authority to do so.

          No matter what you think of the issue, the authority on French public schools is in the hands of the French government, and not in the hands of religious wackos in Tehran.
          So you're saying that under French law there is no such thing as individual rights?
          "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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          • #50
            BTW, I'm wondering if Iran allows students to wear crucifixes in its schools.
            "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
              BTW, I'm wondering if Iran allows students to wear crucifixes in its schools.
              Indeed.

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              • #52
                (ignores rest of thread)
                since when were Jaguars French???
                "Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
                "...Mangy dog staggering about, looking vainly for a place to die."
                "sauna stories? There are no 'sauna stories'.. I mean.. sauna is sauna. You do by the laws of sauna." -P.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Seeker
                  (ignores rest of thread)
                  since when were Jaguars French???
                  They're British, and Ford Motor Co. to boot!

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                  • #54
                    [Answering-French-Bashing mode]

                    I wonder how the compulsory wearing of a headscarf by non-muslim women in Saudi Arabia can reconcile with a religious obligation.

                    [/Answering-French-Bashing mode]
                    Statistical anomaly.
                    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                    • #55
                      This thread doesn't have much French bashing going on. I just made the Little Satan comment to show that no matter what France does to endear itself to the Arab/muslim governments, it is washed away in an instant by couterproductive rhetoric from some quarters. This will continue to be the case while many in the region systematically disregard their own people's interests--even vital interests--for a very tenuous benefit.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #56
                        [Answering-French-Bashing mode]

                        Principles are not considered as counterproductive rhetoric, at least by those who does rank them far above immediat interests.

                        [/Answering-French-Bashing mode]
                        Statistical anomaly.
                        The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                        • #57
                          A principled person is not required to act stupidly. In the long run, his principles aren't served by this. The Malaysian government understands this. The Iranians are about as dumb as rocks when it comes to this. It's also why the US is correct in shunning contact with Iran, but Iran is rock stupid in shunning contact with the US.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            A principled person is not required to act stupidly.
                            You can only express this judgement if you share the principle inspiring the action; if you dont, it is an opinion not convincingly supported.
                            Statistical anomaly.
                            The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                            • #59
                              I think it can be convincingly supported by objective criteria. If these people truly are wishing for the death of France, then they are actively working against this long-term goal by acting so stupidly. I can assure you that Iran is farther away from the death of the US through its 25 years of "Death to America" rhetoric.
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                                So you're saying that under French law there is no such thing as individual rights?
                                There are individual rights, but I don't think they go against clothing codes at school.
                                "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                                "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                                "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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